#399 – Andrew Hiller

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

That thing. Bam we’re live, everyone be professional. Hey, um, oh, we’re that? That preview scared the shit outta me.

Mattew Ouza (00:07):

<laugh> I know

Andrew Hiller (00:08):


Sevan Matossian (00:09):

Your preview on Instagram.

Andrew Hiller (00:12):

Oh, you’re talking about the 300 thing. Have you’ve never seen that.

Sevan Matossian (00:14):

I don’t know what I’ve seen or haven’t seen, but I was like, I was at the beach, get my swerve on throwing some dis I stopped to get some sunflower seeds and check my phone. And I saw that shit and I was like, damn going hard, going hard, hard tonight. Tonight,

Speaker 4 (00:34):

Breakfast and eat. We died in hell.

Mattew Ouza (00:41):


Andrew Hiller (00:43):

It’s about, oh, he looks nervous.

Sevan Matossian (00:45):

I like that in the cartoons. When the dude bites his nails and the shit’s just flying off everywhere. <laugh> you’re like, who does that? Like Jerry used to do that, right? Like Tom and Jerry. No, Tom, the cat would do that shit.

Andrew Hiller (00:56):

We were just talking about how you don’t have any movie references to you whatsoever. <laugh> except for Twilight, you know, Twilight real well,

Sevan Matossian (01:03):

I, I got a cartoon reference, a Twilight. That’s the, um, you know, I, I do wanna actually see that. See, that was one. That was one of the series I kind of did wanna see cuz I was into the Ann Rice, um, books when I was a kid. Do you know Ann Rice?

Andrew Hiller (01:14):

I’m assuming she’s the author of Twilight.

Sevan Matossian (01:17):

No, she wrote interview with the vampire. She did a vampire. It was like, I didn’t read much fiction, but I read that the, those vampire books kinda like into vampires.

Andrew Hiller (01:25):

I’m a big vampire fan as well. You are Helsing. That’s that’s a oh yeah. That not really vampire though. It’s like half vampire have Frankenstein van Helsing with Hugh Jackman.

Sevan Matossian (01:37):

I don’t know if I oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I’ve seen that, uh, rice died. Um, do you know a bra? Stoker’s Dracula.

Andrew Hiller (01:43):

Of course.

Sevan Matossian (01:44):

It’s old. Yeah. And how about the one? Um,

Sevan Matossian (01:53):

There’s one. It’s my favorite one. I actually cried in it. It’s the one where the guy has to become, he become Dracula to save his son. Look at you laughing at me. Cause I cried. Do you know what I’m talking about? Hey, can you pull up Dracula movies, Caleb? Yeah, man. I was gonna make fun. I was gonna make fun of, I was gonna make fun of all of the, uh, um, podcast out there that, um, focus on Marvel movies today. I guess I’ll scrape this, cross that off to think. Don’t make fun of guys. Uh, I tried

Andrew Hiller (02:21):

Doing this Dracula movie <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (02:24):

Oh, Dracula untold Dracula untold

Andrew Hiller (02:28):

Blade. That one’s good. And there’s

Sevan Matossian (02:30):

There we go. Okay. No more movie talk. This is ruin. We’re gonna say something. We’re ruining my stick. I was, I had a whole thing to make fun of this. We

Andrew Hiller (02:35):

Had to bring up Dr. The musical still. We haven’t even talked about that.

Sevan Matossian (02:39):

Is there such a thing

Andrew Hiller (02:40):

From forgetting Sarah Marshall? Oh yeah. Oh

Sevan Matossian (02:43):

Yes. Excellent. Excellent show.

Andrew Hiller (02:45):

See, see they know

Sevan Matossian (02:47):

No, bro. Man talks about Marvel. Shit. It’s just stupid. It’s like watching video games

Andrew Hiller (02:53):

Only DC. Wait here. I gotta show up this guy. I, I got this guy today

Sevan Matossian (02:59):

Even. Oh geez. Very nice. That’s now. Hey Susan, scratch. Uh, uh, cross all that shit off the script where I was just gonna destroy. How about, how about those guys who got um, how about those guys who got uh, the lady from the doctor? There’s a doctor who movie or Dr. No movie that I heard. Um, Shawn and Tommy talking about on the, on their podcast or on that private one that they had. And they were talking about how they were. I think Tommy was saying he was gonna go see it or Shawn? I can’t remember. But that chick in that movie just got busted yesterday. Her and her husband for, uh, fucking pedophilia. Did you see that Disney movie?

Andrew Hiller (03:32):

I have no idea what you were talking about.

Sevan Matossian (03:34):

All right, fine. There’s a I did I send you like Kayla? Bring up.

Andrew Hiller (03:37):

I wanna know. Yeah. Bring up the link.

Sevan Matossian (03:40):

Dr. No strange Dr. Who? Doc. Dr. Strange. Definitely. Dr. Strange. Yeah. Dr. Strange Z bond. Come on God. I hope she’s not arming in. Look at that last name. Uh, convict of sex with girl. Her and her husband, supposedly. Yeah, this th they, they, they seduced this 13 year old girl. Can you imagine being on the top of your game, your big Disney Marvel movie comes out and then you and your husband go down for

Andrew Hiller (04:04):

Oh, it’s both of them.

Sevan Matossian (04:06):


Andrew Hiller (04:07):


Sevan Matossian (04:08):

It’s so good. Yeah. It’s when you read the story, it kind of sounds like the Epstein shit. Like she basically feels like

Andrew Hiller (04:12):

Vapi is there?

Sevan Matossian (04:13):


Andrew Hiller (04:14):

Yeah. That’s how they become vampires. They gotta, you know, do that weird crap.

Sevan Matossian (04:19):

Hey, the Tyler, the Tyler Watkins article of video, you did so, so, okay. Sorry. I’m getting ahead of myself guys. The, the, the premise for this is I asked Andrew Hiller. I said, Hey, you’re making so much content. Like, I’d like to try to do a show. That’s like the cliff notes of your content, um, once a week. And he’s like, sure, let’s give it a shot. And he said, um, I said, so you’ll come on. And like for, um, 90 minutes, we’ll try to talk about like the 5, 6, 7, 8, God knows how many videos he’s made. Um, but then, then, um, this, these two, um, uh, monster videos that he, that he made this last week, I hope they don’t take all the air out of the room. I wanna try to be, not give, um, those more time than they deserve, because there’s other great work in there.

Andrew Hiller (05:01):

We’ll leave you to, uh, scheduling out the show so you can decide how long each of them get. Then

Sevan Matossian (05:07):


Andrew Hiller (05:07):

All to you, man. Yeah. It’s all, it’s your show, right?

Sevan Matossian (05:10):

It is sort of, sort of, sort of, Um, it’s my ring, but you’re the diamond in it.

Andrew Hiller (05:17):

Oh, that was so sweet of you. Thank you. That was good. Thank you so cute.

Sevan Matossian (05:22):

Hey, so we posted an article on the Seon podcast and it’s, uh, what is, uh, media? And we posted it before I read it. And, um, man, we, we just kicked this shit.

Andrew Hiller (05:32):

This is super

Sevan Matossian (05:33):

Shit, dude. We kicked the shit out of our own selves and this week, well, you could go down to the last paragraph.

Andrew Hiller (05:38):

Oh shit. I didn’t see this. That’s a, <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (05:43):

Look at this last paragraph. My guess is that Andrew Hiller wasn’t allowed because he refuses to wear a shirt. Most of the time <laugh> get with the program, bud. This isn’t your father’s fitness program anymore. And as far as Chevon, we’ve only been able to hypothesize two conclusions as to his media access denial, his homosexual tendencies, or his proclivity to lay on his back naked while doing energy body <laugh>. This is a like, I’m just taking, we’re just taking an ass whooping in my own, in my own. Is this

Andrew Hiller (06:10):

Who is den? Is he, is this SAR, is this I’m not wearing no,

Sevan Matossian (06:13):

He’s one of our, he’s one of our senior writers. He’s one of our senior writers

Andrew Hiller (06:18):

Writing sarcastically. Or is this real life?

Sevan Matossian (06:19):

What the hell he’s doing? Scroll

Andrew Hiller (06:21):

Up. Hey, we’re just looking at the

Sevan Matossian (06:22):

End. Hey, when there’s no competition, you can do, you can get away with anything

Andrew Hiller (06:28):

You, whatever you want

Sevan Matossian (06:30):

Crazy Who needs Tommy or Shawn, when you got your own writers to fucking mash you

Andrew Hiller (06:35):

<laugh> all right. That’s right. Nice. Thank you, Dan. Yeah, I’m not professional. This is, this is my girl. It’s hot in here, right? It just hit 90 in Chicago.

Sevan Matossian (06:42):

Yeah. And tell the liver king that with his, uh, 1.5 million, uh, followers in the last six months, I don’t think he even wears, he doesn’t even wear underwear. Are you wearing underwear?

Andrew Hiller (06:50):

He walks around. Yeah. Um, yeah, I am. I have had to check, but he walks around New York city and no shirt and uh, yeah, he, he’s not media though. So we can’t use that as an argument.

Sevan Matossian (07:01):

Right. Good point. He’s clearly a salesman. Great. Um, uh, um, before we start, I, I, I, I stumbled across something this week. That was interesting that I didn’t know it. Um, the, the layers of, uh, Andrew Hiller are, um, are sort of coming, coming out. Uh, he, on, on that pod on one of the podcasts on the rogue one, which is really good, sorry, on the video, which we’ll get to, could you pull up his, um, uh, YouTube page? Um, and we’ll sort of look at the, the main themes for, uh, this show. But as, as we watch these videos, that Andrew makes we learn more and more about him. I had no idea how fit he was. I didn’t know that he went to the regionals. I didn’t know that he had done the, uh, rogue challenge he talks about in there that he got, um, no rep his chest missed the bar. And one of the reps we’ll talk about that and show that. And then, so I started digging around and, um, you also, you, you do programming.

Andrew Hiller (07:51):

Yes, I do.

Sevan Matossian (07:52):

And you have a programming, uh, like, like people can jump on the Andrew Hiller train. Is that the programming? You went to the regionals.

Andrew Hiller (07:59):

I did 2016 individual team in 17 and 18.

Sevan Matossian (08:04):

Okay. Shit taking notes. Oh, sorry. Sorry. We just made $2. You gotta answer this question. Uh, tiny Whitey or brief for $2.

Andrew Hiller (08:13):

Uh, there are Nike compression shorts. There we go. They’re it’s all for you. I know you love that stuff. Sweating hot in that sweater over there. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (08:27):

Yeah. Oh,

Andrew Hiller (08:28):

I also had to make sure I, I, uh, prompt up noble right there. Those are my shorts.

Sevan Matossian (08:31):

Those are noble shorts, you know?

Andrew Hiller (08:33):

Yeah. I had to make sure everyone saw the noble shorts.

Sevan Matossian (08:36):

How much were those?

Andrew Hiller (08:37):

I don’t know. I got ’em as a gift. I don’t really buy many clothes. The

Sevan Matossian (08:43):

Wad zombie for, for, for add a zero to that. And I’ll get ’em to send those, uh, um, compression shorts to you. UN unwashed unwashed.

Andrew Hiller (08:52):

I’ll take ’em off right now. I’ll package ’em and everything. A Ziploc bag with a sticker on it.

Sevan Matossian (08:57):

Yes. Oh, look it. Look it. No, no. Look at this. I, well, I guess it’s time to analyze the programming Hiller fit.

Andrew Hiller (09:05):

Oh man, that would, that would be wicked. And I hope it goes so south it’s like, this is the worst program I’ve ever seen. That’d be awesome.

Sevan Matossian (09:12):

Uh, does Hiller fake Hillard? Do you lay under lights and let them cook your skin is the question.

Andrew Hiller (09:17):

I, I, I did a 30 minute bike outside yesterday because it is warmer in Chicago right now. So if I’m extra 10, that’s why, but I believe we covered the tanning thing in our first talk. And that’s a yes.

Sevan Matossian (09:28):

Hey, do you own a tanning bed?

Andrew Hiller (09:30):

No, but I almost bought one during COVID.

Sevan Matossian (09:34):

Um, uh,

Andrew Hiller (09:34):

I’ve gone it every single week since I was 17 at the recommendation of my dermatologist, when I had really bad acne, when I was a teenager and the dermatologist, like, yeah, just go and do some tanning and it’ll take me off. And she was right. It did. And I’ve gone every week since.

Sevan Matossian (09:49):

Wow. That’s amazing. Oh, what about the health? Uh, I thought that that shit was bad for you.

Andrew Hiller (09:53):

It’s weird. Is it a wicked that a dermatologist is the one who recommended that and they also are the ones who tell you got skin cancer.

Sevan Matossian (10:00):

Yeah. Yeah. Ironic.

Andrew Hiller (10:02):


Sevan Matossian (10:03):

They must know something. Did you do any research on it? Do you know as much about tan beds as you do steroids?

Andrew Hiller (10:09):

I don’t know anywhere near, but I can get the, uh, fiance here. She knows more about tanning because she’s got the skincare business, but nowhere near as much. No.

Sevan Matossian (10:17):

All right. Um, uh, um, Chris Hassel, I’m a little worried that bill Cosby show sweater, uh, Seon. So <laugh> funny. You should say that racist. Um, <laugh> many, many, many years ago I went to the great level one trainer flow master, most senior guy on the training team, probably now Chuck Carswell’s house and did a video with him and his family. And I stayed out there for several days and hung with Chuck. And I did like a 30 minute video with him and his family. And at the time he had a young son, I don’t remember how young, but young. And, uh, recently this came in the mail from his, uh, from his son, I guess he watches the show.

Andrew Hiller (11:05):

Did he, did he make

Sevan Matossian (11:06):

It? He made it, yeah. Oh, sweet. He made it and he said, Hey, I’ll take any feedback. And so I wore it once and worked out with it and like, didn’t pay it any mind. And I didn’t, and I couldn’t actually stand the colors. And then today I saw it by my, um, uh, like stack of clean clothes that were folded. And I was like, holy shit. That’s actually kind of nice. And I put it on. I was like, damn, I like fucking yoed in this colors.

Andrew Hiller (11:28):

You look yolked in everything, man.

Sevan Matossian (11:30):

Thank you. Thank you. That’s

Andrew Hiller (11:31):

Good. And not enough people tell you that.

Sevan Matossian (11:33):

No, they don’t. You’re right. Give them his love. Dylan. Do I’ll take that offer. Send me those shorts. I’ll wear them for my next fight. Holy smokes.

Andrew Hiller (11:42):

All right. How do I get his address? I’ll send him

Sevan Matossian (11:45):

Get awesome. We’ll get it for you. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (11:48):

Give me Dylan. Get me Dylan’s address. I’ll send him my compression shorts. Um, not the noble pants. Those are, you know, I’m still paying for those, the payment plan. <laugh> I got like 12 months to go, been paying a dollar a month for the pants in 60 months.

Sevan Matossian (12:01):

<laugh> for, for what plan?

Andrew Hiller (12:03):

The, the payment plan on the noble shorts, you know, couldn buy ’em out. I couldn’t buy ’em outright. So they’re, they’re on a whatever payment plan bank. Oh,

Mattew Ouza (12:10):

Always start to go with their financing options over there at, uh, noble.

Andrew Hiller (12:14):

That’s right. They have them. I think

Mattew Ouza (12:16):

They better.

Sevan Matossian (12:18):

Um, can you, uh, uh, Kayla pull up, um, his YouTube page one more time. I we’ll pick a, a video outta here. I watched all these enjoyed all of them. I, I don’t tell anyone I’m started getting addicted to like your voice and just the whole way you cut shit up and it’s, I’m getting addicted. I used to watch you.

Andrew Hiller (12:34):

That’s why you have me.

Sevan Matossian (12:36):

Yeah. <laugh> well,

Andrew Hiller (12:38):

That way you can make me say things that you want to hear. It’s like one of those, Hey, to hear people talk things. Have you heard about those?

Sevan Matossian (12:45):

No, but oh, uh, cameos. I was

Andrew Hiller (12:47):

Having, I, I have a client that I work with who is telling me that you’re able to pay, to hear rich phoning say certain things. Like you pay a service 50 bucks and they’ll have him say like, Hey, happy birthday. So, and so, and then it’s like a ten second clip for 50 bucks

Sevan Matossian (12:59):

Phoning. And I’m

Andrew Hiller (13:00):

Sure is that cameo? I think I don’t quote MEO. It’s coming from a secondary source, but I believe that you can get people like, uh, who is the, the, the lightweight baby. You could get him to say some stuff too, but that was like 200 bucks.

Sevan Matossian (13:16):

How about island, boys? How about the island boys island boys look at, I just started singing in old and I got 50 bucks science video. <laugh> about his mom. So, you know, uh, Olson, dudes love it. Fellas keep being good dudes. Thank you.

Andrew Hiller (13:34):

Olson dudes. Oh, wow. 50 bucks. They’ll buy you a pair of shorts semi.

Sevan Matossian (13:37):

That will. It’s

Mattew Ouza (13:38):

Your first plane play?

Andrew Hiller (13:39):

Half a play almost almost half.

Sevan Matossian (13:41):

Hey, will you look up? Will you look up island, boys? Uh, cameo. I wanna see how much it costs. I I’m probably gonna get that for Susan. Oh, look. <laugh>. We had our one year anniversary for the podcast. I feel like I should get something.

Mattew Ouza (13:52):

We got Haley Adams is on there.

Andrew Hiller (13:55):

Um, no way.

Sevan Matossian (13:57):

Hey, she’s got a pretty unique voice too.

Andrew Hiller (14:00):

So I, I, I was asking the guys before the show, if anyone ever knows the plan, and I know this wasn’t part of the plan,

Sevan Matossian (14:06):

What to talk about, but

Andrew Hiller (14:08):

There’s no, there’s, there’s, there’s no plan. When we go into these shows. It is on there. Look at that.

Sevan Matossian (14:12):


Mattew Ouza (14:13):

Oh, 180. It’s just 600 bucks for a bus. What does that mean? Just

Andrew Hiller (14:18):


Sevan Matossian (14:18):

Tell ’em you using it for business pay thousand dollars. I’d pay $6,000 here. Can I hear you? What? They’re my favorite

Mattew Ouza (14:25):

For them to sing that for you?

Sevan Matossian (14:27):

Anything? Do they have a sample?

Andrew Hiller (14:29):

This is awesome. So every dollar in this show needs to know

Speaker 6 (14:34):

Birthday. John B, you turning 24 on 0 5, 26. Keep up on boxing Mo and moving though. See Murphy. Oh yeah. Finish your damn score for real.

Sevan Matossian (14:46):

For real. Oh, happy bird.

Mattew Ouza (14:48):

That’s worth 600 bucks.

Sevan Matossian (14:52):

Okay. Caleb, I wanna know if that’s true about Spiegel shorts. Will you look up Danny Spiegel? Uh, shorts. I, that would be amazing on

Mattew Ouza (14:59):

It. Wait what’s <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (15:02):

If he finds this, I’m gonna lose it. I’m gonna walk out of the garage. I’m going somewhere else.

Sevan Matossian (15:07):

Hey, wasn’t someone farting in jars and selling it. She sells you and, and Macon bang.

Mattew Ouza (15:14):

Who buys that? What did the people look like that? Buy that?

Andrew Hiller (15:18):

What does it look like? Jarring that

Sevan Matossian (15:21):

<laugh> oh, Dylan, will you send me a link to your knockout? Uh, last week. Thank you. Uh, uh, Gary, it has to be a, and the one of his, well, I don’t know what that

Andrew Hiller (15:34):

You think they were walk into traffic for 600. It’s funny.

Sevan Matossian (15:38):

One of the cars. Um, okay. Okay. Okay. Let’s skip focus. You’re back, back to the hill or YouTube page where

Andrew Hiller (15:42):

This is entire, this is yours. Remember? This is your job. One job. This Going

Sevan Matossian (15:48):

Fucking hot at my house. I’m just pouring. Okay. Uh, take

Andrew Hiller (15:51):

That shirt off.

Sevan Matossian (15:52):

So, oh God. I wish I had that. I wish I had that ability. Are, are those the videos? Why is it so blurry first? I want first I wanna go look at this first hip and steel video. Can you scroll down a Schmid oh, uh, um, 30 K views two weeks ago. Are you surprised? Why, why does this video, why does anyone give a really give a shit about this? Why does this have so many views?

Andrew Hiller (16:18):

I think it’s because there’s not nearly enough content put out there for the master’s athlete. So when something goes out, it’s just kind of shoots around them and they’re all picking up on it. And also of the comments sections that I’ve been looking at, they tend to be the most well spoken comment section and the most up spoken comment section that was up until today and yesterday. Um, the comments today. But up until that, every other one was like, yeah, yeah, whatever. But these ones, they were really up in arms about it.

Sevan Matossian (16:49):

Oh, meaning that

Andrew Hiller (16:50):

The quality of movement,

Sevan Matossian (16:51):

Meaning the subject took a fucking beating in this one. Uh, and, and like the biggest beating in most more than most of your videos, the subject gets, except for these last two on Tommy and Shawn, they kind of took a beating too.

Andrew Hiller (17:04):

Correct. And, and here’s the thing is I look at, oh, you can see how many likes I got. How did you do that? How, how come you can see, but nobody else can see. I thought that wasn’t, oh, you can’t see the dislikes. So on my page, I can see the dislikes. I’m just waiting for a, a video that I put up just completely not make sense and everyone’s gonna download it. And it hasn’t happened yet. So that’s basically my main metric to make sure that I’m doing things in the right fashion is like the, like to dislike ratio.

Sevan Matossian (17:30):

You’re kind of a loser. If you dislike, if it Caleb, will you hit the like button? You’re kind of, I don’t dislike. I don’t really ever dislike. Hey, did dislike it. I wanna see what happens. Oh, now like it again. Oh, it didn’t take it down to 7 0 5 though.

Andrew Hiller (17:44):

Well, it was 7 0 6. It’s not an average. It’s not, it’s not like it fights the people who liked

Sevan Matossian (17:48):

It. No, but it was 7 0 6 when he went there and he clicked it up to 7 0 7. Okay. Click it back up again. Okay. Go to a different video. <laugh> go to a different video. Let

Andrew Hiller (17:57):

Me see. All this means is that you didn’t like it in the first place.

Sevan Matossian (18:00):

Go to any video. And uh, and, and then yeah, that one that’s good. And then click down. Like it

Mattew Ouza (18:06):

It’s like, it’s like

Sevan Matossian (18:07):

Click it down. Okay. So you took it, look it, and now click up.

Andrew Hiller (18:12):

Yes. This is how it works, man. What, what are

Sevan Matossian (18:14):

You talking about? No. No. Do you see what’s happening there? Is anyone following what’s happening? No,

Andrew Hiller (18:18):


Caleb Beaver (18:18):

Doesn’t take away from the likes. It just, just kind of gets rid of it. Like it never happened.

Mattew Ouza (18:23):

Yeah. So you’re at 6 37 when he clicks this lights. You’ at 6 36,

Sevan Matossian (18:27):

But it, when we came to the page, it was at 6 37.

Mattew Ouza (18:31):

No is that 6 36.

Sevan Matossian (18:34):

Oh, all

Andrew Hiller (18:35):

I’m gonna be the one to keep the show moving. What are we talking about with the hip steel video? I

Mattew Ouza (18:38):

Already liked. You already liked it.

Sevan Matossian (18:40):

Fine. Okay. Hip and steel. So, so you, so you think that there’s just a, a, a drought of master stuff and that’s

Andrew Hiller (18:49):

Did well, there is, is that that’s like the, the stuff. Um, if we look at the CrossFit Instagram page, they do a pretty good job of kind of touching on a lot of stuff. But when we look at the games page, there’s no content on the master. That was up until there was something recently. And I featured her in one of my videos. And I forget the name of the athlete involved. It’s short. It’s not an American name because I don’t think she spoke English. Cause my winter, Instagram, I had to translate everything. But up until then, there wasn’t very much content on the masters, especially as of late. And I I’m sure you can speak more on that in history, but it’s always kind of been a general thing is that the masters want more coverage. So when

Sevan Matossian (19:25):

I move something on them, yeah, I, I believe it or not. I used to be, um, uh, head of the media team. Uh, maybe the greatest living CMO that ever lived and, and, and also manage the CrossFit journal with more than 10,000 pieces of content. So I know a little bit about media. Um, what is also the premier media, which is, which is also the premier health and fitness journal in the world, which is still buried somewhere on the internet. Uh, which, which, if someone gave a shit at CrossFit in media, um, they would’ve already pulled it up to the front. That would’ve been the very first thing they did when they bought the company. That’s what every affiliate would like, just so you just for, uh, Gary or Aaron or Aaron, you’re not gonna be there very much longer probably, but, um, but well, their CTO just re dude their CTO fucking retired today. That place we haven’t even got. Wait till we get to that, but who someone pulled a fucking journal up to the front, man. I swear to God for 10,000 bucks a year, I will, I will start tweeting to you guys. How to run the fucking company.

Andrew Hiller (20:25):

Jim wants to see Tommy and I fight.

Sevan Matossian (20:27):

And the first thing you do is you bring, you, bring, you, bring Dennis Miller inside the fucking cage inside the fence. Don’t don’t leave Dennis Miller outside anymore.

Andrew Hiller (20:38):

Who is Dennis Miller?

Sevan Matossian (20:39):

Uh, Andrew Hiller, Andrew

Andrew Hiller (20:41):

Hiller. Are you kidding me? Is that a

Sevan Matossian (20:43):


Andrew Hiller (20:43):


Sevan Matossian (20:44):


Andrew Hiller (20:46):

Yeah. Okay. I, I would’ve never, if I hadn’t asked you, I’ve had no idea what you were talking about. Glad to clear that up. Yeah. Bring me in the cage.

Sevan Matossian (20:54):

<laugh> I mean, dude, bring, I understand you don’t wanna bring me inside the fence. I understand that would take some insane humility, but bring fucking

Andrew Hiller (21:02):

Cages. I, I, I wrestled in college. Did you know that? Yes.

Sevan Matossian (21:05):


Andrew Hiller (21:05):

Maybe. Yeah. I was a dog, a wrestler. I got, I gotta admit to everybody. I was not a good wrestler and

Sevan Matossian (21:11):

I ever,

Andrew Hiller (21:12):

It was D three. I wrestled at north central and Naperville and oh, good job. I did a couple year. Thanks man. Uh, I was decent enough in high school where I made a down state and I only did so because of things like CrossFit, like trying to like, and I wouldn’t say I was doing it at that point in time, but basically the head space to just like get better than everybody physically. And I was a dog shit wrestler and that really showed in college. So one of my favorite comments ever that I read was just like, Hey, this guy who never made the games and had a record in college, that was sub 500. Oh yeah. We’re all gonna listen to you. And I’m like, yeah, I have a bad wrestler. What are you trying to tell me? I know. And I, I had to make sure at some point I made that pretty evident that I know I wasn’t very good, but I tried harder than everybody.

Sevan Matossian (21:52):

<laugh> to make fun of a collegiate. Wrestler’s fucking that, that, that’s just the first, the second that comes outta your mouth. I don’t care if it’s division 17. You’re a moron. <laugh> usually like, like, no, no one, no, the

Andrew Hiller (22:06):

Call that Juco

Sevan Matossian (22:08):

Juco, but please don’t I have three Jewish boys. Please. Don’t say that.

Andrew Hiller (22:11):


Sevan Matossian (22:12):

<laugh> but um, not

Andrew Hiller (22:13):

What I, but

Sevan Matossian (22:15):

It’s nuts. It doesn’t even matter if you’re, if you’re wrestling at that level, it’s nuts. Even the training was nuts. Right? Hiller,

Andrew Hiller (22:22):

The training was wild and actually in college, that’s where I got introduced at CrossFit. So they were the bra brothers and they were all about, uh MERF. And I remember we would do MERF in the preseason and we would do it on these swinging pull up bars and it was just out of control. And there were people who were doing it way quicker. Oh, didn’t you wanna talk about this? Donald Trump Jr’s Mer time.

Sevan Matossian (22:45):

Oh yes.

Andrew Hiller (22:46):

I remember. I, I remember in college. I would. Yeah. See, I’m doing the show thing for you. I’m keeping a

Sevan Matossian (22:50):

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. I know all the common, oh, thank God. Hillers keeping stuff on track. Uh, Dylan, Val, dude, what the fuck saying? You suck a D three wrestling is like making it to the regionals and saying you suck CrossFit. I was gonna say, it’s like having a nine inch Dick and saying it’s just average, but you do you Dylan.

Andrew Hiller (23:04):

The thing that drove me crazy about D three wrestling was that everybody who went to state was a high quality state wrestler, but didn’t give a shit about doing better at wrestling anymore. Went D three and then just kinda like drink their lives away. And now Mo most of the guys I wrestled with are 400 pounds because they didn’t know how to control their body weight outside of wrestling tactics. Oh. And it, it drives me insane. Here we go. Look at this 31 56. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (23:29):

Uh, this is Donald Trump Jr’s page. I was imagin hundred guy. Oh boy. Let me readt

Andrew Hiller (23:35):

Say it was only 31.

Sevan Matossian (23:36):

After being really inconsistent in my workouts. Coming back to CrossFit MERF is a recipe for disaster did. Okay. But five minutes off my PR of 31 56 run one mile, uh, run. Another mile was excited. Uh, but I don’t see him with a vest on no vest.

Caleb Beaver (23:52):

Doesn’t it doesn’t count.

Sevan Matossian (23:53):

Does not. Well, it’s still insane without a vest.

Andrew Hiller (23:57):

So without a vest, he did it in 26 56.

Sevan Matossian (24:02):


Andrew Hiller (24:03):

No, no, no. This is

Caleb Beaver (24:06):

56. Was, was that time today or that

Sevan Matossian (24:09):

Day? Five someone in the comments.

Andrew Hiller (24:11):

Oh, okay. Gotcha. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (24:13):

Who, who in the comments? Um, has anyone in the comments done it without a vest in? I, I think my, I think I’ve never even broke 40 and I, and I don’t use a vest, I think at like 41 or something or 44 guy.

Andrew Hiller (24:25):

I broken 40 without a vest.

Sevan Matossian (24:27):

You have, well, you have, I’ve

Andrew Hiller (24:29):

Broken 40 with a vest

Sevan Matossian (24:31):

With a vest. Both.

Andrew Hiller (24:32):

Correct? Yeah, but it wasn’t like game standards. It, and like, everything was like tight knit and right there. And I did it where you can do whatever repetition number you want whenever you wanna do it. Yeah. So it wasn’t set up where you had to go like three or 100, 200, 300 or it wasn’t broken up where it was 20, 40, 60. Like it was the next year of the games, but

Sevan Matossian (24:54):


Andrew Hiller (24:54):

Who’s somehow go ahead.

Sevan Matossian (24:56):

So do you buy that? Do you buy that? Um, is

Andrew Hiller (24:59):

That Donald Trump Jr? Hell

Sevan Matossian (25:01):

No. Yeah. Oh,

Andrew Hiller (25:03):

Know what we should do. We should invite him on the show and ask him to do it live

Sevan Matossian (25:06):

Or just invite him on the show and ask him about what

Mattew Ouza (25:08):

I was gonna say. Just, just

Andrew Hiller (25:09):

Vibe on the show. Did you watch hunter McIntire attempt to sub 30 minute MERF with the vest?

Sevan Matossian (25:14):

No, how’d he do?

Andrew Hiller (25:16):

I think he was close, but the guy who was doing it next to him had the most dog shit pushups I’ve ever seen in my life. Hunters were good. Hunter was good the entire way through. And I remember watching it live. Cause I thought he had a chance at it because as I’ve said before, I think he’s one of the fittest people ever, uh, mostly based around his ability to push the machines and actually Ben Smith put something out today, talking about machine work and how the syndicate is completely based around machine work. Is that, have you guys seen that? Is

Sevan Matossian (25:44):

That just me? No, but, but Ben’s, I really like how vocal Ben Smith and rich phoning are starting to be about CrossFit. I it’s it’s it’s fascinating to me and I, and I like

Andrew Hiller (25:52):

That. It’s a tra that that video only has 80 views on YouTube. Last time I checked.

Mattew Ouza (25:57):

So I think Dave shared it. Is it a recent one?

Andrew Hiller (26:01):

It’s uh, put up this morning, I believe.

Mattew Ouza (26:04):

Okay. So I think it was shared on there. I think it was, it was Ben Smith talking about programming. So

Andrew Hiller (26:10):

I, I got something coming up with that. So hopefully it doesn’t take off before I get my video out. I’m always nervous about that. I’ll make a video and go, I gotta get it up. Cause I don’t want anyone else to cover it before I cover it.

Sevan Matossian (26:20):

No one is don’t worry. Don’t worry. No one’s covering what you’re covering. Don’t worry. No one’s covering Tommy and Shawn, except for

Andrew Hiller (26:25):

You, someone out there,

Sevan Matossian (26:27):

Your desk

Andrew Hiller (26:27):

Did Joe Rogan had a YouTuber on Mr. Beast? Do you know who that is?

Mattew Ouza (26:32):

Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Andrew Hiller (26:34):

Mr. Beast seven, do you know? No. He’s like the biggest YouTuber ever. And he said that if anybody had his notebook full of ideas, they would be million dollar YouTubers as well. But it’s all about the ideas. It’s, it’s not even about the content. It’s not even about the production. It’s about the idea that goes into it. And that’s said by the most successful YouTuber on YouTube.

Sevan Matossian (26:53):

Wow. He, he thinks

Andrew Hiller (26:56):

He was on Rogan.

Sevan Matossian (26:57):

He was on, uh, Jim, Jim Luki, uh, a, a, a former, uh, um, uh, PA patron or guest of the show. He’s hit, he patron patron. <laugh> it’s big in my head this week, I’ve hit 38 UN partitioned two different times. And that was running seven 40 miles. I think hunter could go faster than he did. Wow. I’m having a, uh, kind of a flashback. So what, or, or dejavu? Just, I don’t know something. Hi. Am I being nice? Oh, in case I get hot. Oh, Haley brought me another shirt in case I get hot. Hey, look at that shirt. This one. CrossFit Livermore.

Andrew Hiller (27:40):

Oh, nice.

Sevan Matossian (27:40):

Okay. Yeah. So there there’s my affinity for, uh, homosexuality too. Then again being Haley, Haley just heard it and you’re good to go. So, so we neglected the masters all the time. I had no interest in the masters. And so like, so I get that. And then, and I did see, um, I don’t know if it was get what the programming or Tommy and Shawn, but one of them a few months ago covered a bunch of master stuff and their fucking numbers skyrocketed. I was like, holy shit. It was like 20,000, 30,000, 40,000 views. And I was like, oh shit. Maybe, maybe covering masters is the way to, you know, get some shit rolling.

Andrew Hiller (28:11):

They love it. They, they wanna be, they, they don’t wanna be appreciated. They just wanna be spoken of at some level in relation to the three people that CrossFit talks about all the time.

Sevan Matossian (28:21):

Oh, that hurts DT. J did it probably partition. He’s a good dude. I message him to clarify. Probably not necessarily. Oh, thank you, Tommy. Please just let him know Tommy. Thank

Andrew Hiller (28:31):

You. What did he say? I wanna know more.

Sevan Matossian (28:32):

Yeah. You can’t trust anyone. Mexican dude with the first name. Tommy <laugh>.

Andrew Hiller (28:36):

Tommy’s a good dude. I know Tommy.

Sevan Matossian (28:38):

Oh, okay.

Andrew Hiller (28:39):

Fine. He’s yeah, he is a good guy.

Sevan Matossian (28:41):

Yeah, fine.

Andrew Hiller (28:42):

Fine. Yeah. I trust Tommy. I dunno if I trust Donald Trump Jr.

Sevan Matossian (28:48):

Uh, I, I trust Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Jr. Uh, Tyler, the Tyler Watkins article. Holy shit. That was amazing. What you did with that. Yeah. Can you pull up that YouTube video? Uh, Caleb,

Andrew Hiller (28:59):

Was that, was that actually good? I wasn’t sure how that would come across.

Sevan Matossian (29:02):

Oh my goodness.

Andrew Hiller (29:04):

Cause here’s what happens is I have YouTube premium and most of the stuff that I listen to, I’m usually doing something else working out or doing yard work, or I don’t know anything driving and I’ll put on the background and it’s, so I could turn the phone off and listen to a podcast style. So I envisioned that people wouldn’t be able to read this awesome article. So I just transcripted it and then also put a voice to, uh, the text to speed on it. I hope it came across well.

Sevan Matossian (29:27):

Yeah. This is a fantastic article. Um, uh, the worst of a bad situation, rehash rehashing CrossFit quarter final events. The actual article is on the seven on podcast website. Um, but uh, Hillary does an amazing, basically he has a, um, some AI read the article and then he pauses the article every couple minutes and gives his 2 cents. And basically what it is is it’s an article, um, where Tyler is thinking very, very clearly. And he explains in detail three ways that cross BA based on a Jocko Willock book.

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