#395 – Jason McCarthy

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Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Um, I think so. Bam. We’re live guys last night’s show. Awesome. I’m so excited about it. I, I, I want you to know something real quick that I, I think I was very clear about in the show. And if I wasn’t clear about, let me quadruple down on someone of the comments said something in the YouTube comments. Um, I hopes on, and, and I, and I, and I like to make a lot of mom jokes in the YouTube comments. That’s the, that’s the whole reason looking for someone to do like a mom joke. It’s not what your mom said, not when I was at your mom’s house. Your mom doesn’t sound like that when her mouth is full, just whatever. But, um, someone in there said something about, I hope he is not a shrill, a trill, Azi, a bill, something for California hormones. They are my sponsor, but like, I’m, Hey Jason, but I’m not on TRT.

Sevan Matossian (00:51):

And I’m scared to death to get on TRT and, and like, but they’re my sponsor. And I love those guys and anyone who supports the podcast, I don’t even like, as long as you’re not hurting kids, I don’t give a fuck what you do. If monster wants to sponsor me fucking, they can jump on the bandwagon, but I ain’t drinking that shit that I would love to have them on and have like monster cans all over me and tell you, Hey, this is the cause of root cause of diabetes and sickness. But, but, but fuck, if I’m driving from, um, San Francisco to Los Angeles and it’s two in the morning doing a massive cocaine run, I’m gonna make a few monsters to keep me awake, fucking knuckle face. <laugh>. I just need to be able to tell the truth. That’s it about your mom and anyone’s mom. Good morning, Jason. Hi.

Jason McCarthy (01:32):

And the truth shall set. You free <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (01:34):

Yes. Good morning. Hey, good morning. Speak. Speaking of the truth, one of the biggest problems that we have on the internet is a website called go ruck.com. Hide your credit cards. This place is so yummy. I spent way too much time on there last night. Is this the, I mean, this is a, uh, a fitness man’s wet dream. Can you go to shop all and just look at this, this thing is crazy. What do you wanna see? Uh, let’s go to the R sack. I was looking, I was scrolling through your Instagram and all God. Isn’t that nice? Yeah. Oh, it’s so yummy. Hey, this is probably so I can’t believe I’m gonna ask this. Do they come in like red? <laugh> like, I, I know it’s supposed to be, but I thought I saw some red ones in different color plates and I’m from California. You gotta bear with me, Jason.

Jason McCarthy (02:36):

Yeah, man. I mean, we, we’ve done all different colors. We’ve done school colors, we’ve done red. We’ve like, we, we do things like red or, or blue and we call them things like the American and the, and the Patriot and stuff like that. Yes. It ends up being, you know, you gotta play the limited edition game from time to time. And then also it’s, there’s real manufacturing constraints and stuff, but you know, you see a lot of stuff like floral patterns out there in, in the universe. I’m like, you’re looking at how we do floral right there. Right. You got Tropic multicam, you got Woodland camo. That’s how we do floral and it’s and it’s awesome. And it’s badass.

Sevan Matossian (03:08):

Is that named after Sean Woodland? That one?

Jason McCarthy (03:11):

No, that’s just the, uh,

Sevan Matossian (03:12):

Oh, good. Okay, good. The

Jason McCarthy (03:13):

Woodland camo was the, the sort of the first uniform I wore in the army was, was those it’s they called BDU and you know, it’s pretty awesome.

Sevan Matossian (03:23):

Um, what’s the craziest, uh, Ooh. Oh, that’s nice

Jason McCarthy (03:27):

Tiger Stripe. There you go.

Sevan Matossian (03:28):

Stripe cam. I need to get brushed up on my animals again. I thought that was zebra. God that’s fucking come

Jason McCarthy (03:35):

On. That’s all. That’s old Vietnam era camouflage pattern right there.

Sevan Matossian (03:40):

This, this website is really nice. Yeah.

Jason McCarthy (03:44):

Thank you for the feedback. All I see in life are problems, right?

Sevan Matossian (03:48):

I saw 1,595 star reviews on that bag. That’s all I saw. <laugh> 1,595 star reviews. Sorry, what were you gonna say? All you see is problems. Your wife must love you. Your wife must love you. <laugh>

Jason McCarthy (04:02):

Oh, never with

Sevan Matossian (04:03):

That. What, what a Dick

Jason McCarthy (04:04):

<laugh> just with stuff like websites.

Sevan Matossian (04:07):

Okay. Okay, good.

Jason McCarthy (04:09):

Um, and, and, you know, it’s, it’s great that, you know, people, we have this, um, hobby called shopping in America and I’m I’m, I, I get it right. But if, if you buy something and that sits in your, in your closet, my dog monster, and I just might show up at your house and take that <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (04:30):


Jason McCarthy (04:30):

Good to someone that’s actually going use it to get out there and whoop it on and get stronger and heart health and burn it down in your, your trails, in your parks, in your, your neighborhoods. Cuz that’s what it’s meant to do is get out there and, and do something with it.

Sevan Matossian (04:43):

Uh, that being said, I wanna tell everyone today, um, uh, Mr. McCarthy brings up an amazing point, give something away today. If you can. I had, I had this brand new womb bike that, um, my kids had outgrown and I never took them out to ride on because I’m a fucking horrible father. And uh, a friend of mine goes, Hey, I have a, a, um, I know you got a lot of shit. Um, I have a, uh, four year old daughter, do you have an extra bike? I just went into my shed, pulled out this brand new womb bike. It’s like the super trendy bike for little kids. And I drove it over to his house. Give your shit away. You not, I, um, but I would buy something like that and it would be $300 and I would make sure I would, I’m pretty disciplined in, uh, uh, O C D um, in a healthy way. And I would wear that thing because I spent 300 bucks on it every day for a year. Aack do it. Yeah. I’m

Jason McCarthy (05:35):

Going to, you get stronger. Your heart will get healthier. You might run into some other people that are out doing the same thing. You’re getting physical health, mental health, social health, all of it, the trifecta man.

Sevan Matossian (05:45):

I met this guy at the beach the other day in Newport. Um, and uh, he had, he had been in a coma. I didn’t realize that was two words until recently he was in a coma for, uh, 82 days. He had a hole here and he had a hole down here. He had them covered. Um, he gotten COVID and he had lost. Um, and I was like, man, you don’t look like someone who, who would be in the hospital in, in a coma for, uh, 82 days. He said, well, dude, I lost 50 pounds when I was in there. I was smoking two, um, cartridges of the Juul a day. I dunno if you know what the Juul is, but it’s this fucking Satan nicotine hit. It’s fucking the greatest thing in the world if you want to die. And uh, and, and, and he had been shooting meth as a young man.

Sevan Matossian (06:31):

And I was like, oh, I guess that’ll do it to you. Um, and so he said, I need to start exercising again. And I had just read Michael Easter’s book. And I think maybe we had just had him on the show. So I, I told him the first thing and, and Michael Easter says in the book like, Hey, this thing will get your heartbeat up, but you don’t gotta be running with it. And that’s the first thing I said is I said, get a go R. And he said, how much should I put in it? And I said, fucking nothing. Just, I mean, you know what I mean? Just get the bag, like, get the bag. I think you get fitter if you get right. How much does that bag weigh

Jason McCarthy (07:01):

The bag’s five pounds or so, I mean, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (07:03):

Right. Just get

Jason McCarthy (07:04):

The bag. I, so yeah, I mean, the thing is, is do the thing, right? The thing is move, be more active. And this is like, yeah, we, we, we message this around rocking and stuff. Cuz it makes walking harder. Cuz walking is just not sexy even though it’s the most effective form of, of exercise on the planet for the most people. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (07:22):

I’m a huge walk,

Jason McCarthy (07:23):

But it’s like do the thing, you know? Yep. Be more active and we need a more active society. We need a more active culture. We need a more, we need people to be more active, not just, you know, online with their thumbs either.

Sevan Matossian (07:35):

<laugh> it’s so it’s so, um, pathetic, when I go places like Phoenix or Los Angeles and they have these amazing sidewalk networks and there’s just no one on them, there’s just no, no, no one walks. I mean, I’m a crazy Walker. I’m a walking machine. It’s nuts that people don’t walk. Are you a Walker?

Jason McCarthy (07:54):

I, my office is four miles from, uh, my house. I rock to work or sometimes I bike to work. Depends on the time. Um, I, you know, the only metric I really track is my step count, cuz I’ve just correlate it with everything that I want to get out of life. Like I feel better. I sleep better, all that stuff. And, and I’m also prone to like a total idealist. So I could sit in front of a computer and just work on the mission at hand for forever. Right. But you know, you gotta have these checks and balances and, and the community does that for me, the people that I, you know, just sling some sandbags around with do it for me, but then the personal responsibility side of it is I, I gotta get my steps in and get outside. As Mike Lee would say, look at the fractals and do all these things that are great for your, the added benefits of just being outside and, and stuff like that as well. Plus it just, it makes me feel a lot better and that’s, that’s good.

Sevan Matossian (08:43):

Um, three outta four doctors say that while you’re rucking that you’ll get 20 more, 20% more out of the R if you listen to the Seon podcast while you’re rucking it’s facts. Yes

Jason McCarthy (08:53):

<laugh> yeah. Facts and the truth shall set you free. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (08:57):

Right. What, what is, what’s the, what’s some of the crazy R stories you’ve heard, like has, has anyone done like, um, like, uh, 120 pounds, like, you know, for 10 miles or like what’s some of the crazy shit you hear. Yeah.

Jason McCarthy (09:12):

I mean, so look rucking is, is rooted in special forces training. When you look at this stuff online, you think that it’s long,

Sevan Matossian (09:18):

That’s why Dave likes it so much. Right? Like Dave, my buddy, Dave Castro loves that shit.

Jason McCarthy (09:23):

Yeah. I mean, Dave’s, you know, Dave is great and Dave, I will always credit. He put the Castro ruck in the games a few years ago and it was awesome. I’ve never seen rucking done like that with incremental increases for, for time. I thought it was awesome. And a, and a great way to train. Um, yeah. I mean, that’s, it’s rooted in special operations for sure. And so it’s you and you’re by yourself and you have weight on your back. That’s what it is and the crazy story. So 120 pounds, like, yeah, that was part of our training for 18, for 18 hours, right. And the insertion and our final training episode. But the, the, the best things that I hear now, the crazy stories that really inspire me are the things that people, they, they felt empowered. They felt more badass to put a little bit of weight on their back and go explore the, the, the, uh, the, the trails and the sidewalks in their neighborhoods close to home.

Jason McCarthy (10:16):

And what happens is when you take that first step, what you’ll find is you run into other people that are taking that first step too. You, you find more active people. And so the best thing that I’ve I’ve gotten is, you know, I’m, I’m, the veteran space is near and dear to my heart. And I, I do get notes from time to time that I started rucking. It helped me get my mojo back after my transition, I was gonna kill myself. And now I wasn’t, and this had nothing to do necessarily with being overweight or, you know, weak or anything like that. It had to do with kind of a sense of belonging. How do I translate where I can, where I came from with, with this country that I love, that I wanna be a productive citizen in and rucking became a method to kind of build that bridge. And, and I can attest cuz I walked that a similar path without the kind of, I wasn’t gonna kill myself, but it was, it was kind of a lonely world and trying to figure out how to walk into the next phase of life. And it turned out for me, it, it, I just needed to put a R sec on,

Sevan Matossian (11:17):

Uh, man, you opened up a lot of doors. Now we’re gonna leave. We’re gonna swerve way off the path. <laugh>, uh, to, to be a productive citizen for this country. It’s so funny. It’s such a trip. The journey that I’ve, I’ve been on. I, I was raised in Berkeley, California, um, for anyone who ever has any chance to spend in Berkeley, I highly, highly, highly recommend, even though the town has completely gone bat shit crazy. I just went there this past weekend and they still have not recovered from COVID. Uh, and by that, I mean not the virus. I mean the, um, the, the mental disorder that it’s caused. Yeah, it’s crazy. But they have these Hills called the Berkeley Hills and I spent years walking them. And it’s where I did all my work. When I worked for CrossFit, I just walked to Berkeley Hills and did phone calls for hours every single day.

Sevan Matossian (12:00):

And in those Berkeley Hills, they have stairs everywhere in between like the, the they’re called hidden stairs and secret stairs. They weave through the neighborhood between people’s homes. It’s fucking, and anything will grow in Berkeley. I mean, you, I could live off of the fruit trees that are just on the streets. It’s absolutely a slice of heaven except for the people. But I was raised in Berkeley thinking with zero country pride, hating the flag, hating this country, um, being a professional fucking complainer, everything that was the opposite of what, of what JFK said. Um, uh, ask what don’t, don’t ask what, um, your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country. And, um, then I had kids and, and that, and, and everything changed. All of a sudden, it mattered to me. Um, someone said to me the other day, and, and I don’t mean to make this, uh, hyper political, but someone said to me, how could anyone ever vote for Donald Trump?

Sevan Matossian (12:54):

And I said, well, you would never vote for him for yourself. You would vote for him for your country. You would vote for him because you want what’s best for your kids. And, uh, it, um, because, because I’m, I’m not fond of a lot of the man’s characteristics, but it’s so it’s, um, it it’s, it’s unbelievable how many people don’t think like that, what they can do to make where they live a better place. And, and I think that the, one of the first places you have to do that is take care of your health. Uh, not, I think I know, I know if you’re not taking care of your health, you are a, um, you’re the anchor on, uh, on, on society. You’re you’re drag.

Jason McCarthy (13:30):

I think Churchill said something like the greatest treasure nation has, is the health of its people.

Sevan Matossian (13:34):

He said that

Jason McCarthy (13:36):

Some, some quote,

Sevan Matossian (13:37):

Just like that. Yeah. Well he, well, he would know too, cuz his health wasn’t so good. Yeah, man. Um, and, and, and you, and you need a mission like that for a sense of belonging and you, and I’ve heard you talk about that in some of your other podcasts. Um, you talk about as a young man, you went on a trip, uh, like sort, sort of like a sojourn, like a soul searching mission, but it, what you didn’t accomplish anything. And I always felt like that about the CrossFit games too. People always ask me would, now that I got fired from CrossFit and I’m not there anymore, people say, don’t you wanna go to the games? I, as much as I love the games and I love the athletes, if I don’t have a mission, I’m not interested in going there unless I have a mission is my mission to collect autographs from every athlete, maybe is my mission to make sure the TV show and the cameras are working properly maybe, but I need a mission. I can’t go. I can’t go. I’m not, I’m not. Um, I don’t wanna just go and just not have a mission. I don’t wanna, I wanna have a purpose.

Jason McCarthy (14:28):

We all need that. Yeah. I mean, I took, you know, it’s like, go, go find yourself, go take a trip, fly into Istan bowl in a one way ticket and figure it out. It’s it’s not where you find yourself. Right. That that’s not, at least that’s not how it went for me. It was just kind of being lost in new places all the time. And chasing dopamine hits from, you know, girls, wherever the party is.

Sevan Matossian (14:50):

Yeah, yeah. Girls

Jason McCarthy (14:52):

And it’s, it’s just kind of, you, you have to, you have to find some adversity in your life that that’ll teach you who you are and then you can go have fun and party and, and it it’s like you, you have some perspective, but yeah, I didn’t find what I was looking for because I didn’t find community. I didn’t find people that I really wanted to spend consistent, recurring time with. And you know, I’m gonna think about the people on that trip zero when I’m on my deathbed, you know? Right, right. I’m gonna think about the people that are near and dear to me and yeah. You know, you, and, and it was also just a crazy time for our, our country, cuz it was right after nine 11 and I, I didn’t know how I wanted to serve or if I had the courage frankly, to serve how I knew I needed to. And so it was kind of a all right, well let’s delay the inevitable, like, let me just go think about this. Right. Which is just a way to prolong everything and yeah. Do what you know, you need to do. Right. We don’t suffer from a lack of knowledge.

Sevan Matossian (15:50):

Were you raised in, in a, in a home full, was your mom a Democrat?

Jason McCarthy (15:55):

So mom, mom was 17 when she got pregnant and barely 18 when she had me moved down to, to Gainesville. Um, my family that’s

Sevan Matossian (16:05):

That’s Florida, correct?

Jason McCarthy (16:06):

Yeah. When I was, she, she moved down, she played tennis. So moved down to Gainesville with, with her when I was three, um, my, my family was super fractured politically. My, um, one side was very Republican. I don’t mean conservative, although they were maybe a little bit closer back then, but they were very conservative. And my other grandmother who was very influential in my life was very liberal. And I, I kind of, that’s kind of the story of my life is I just got, I got it from all different sides, but I also learned that I can love people that are at this huge extreme of, of the political discourse and fantastic. We didn’t really talk about politics all that much, but I mean, I love, I love my grandfather. I love my grandmother on both sides, all sides. And they have, I mean their political beliefs just SP are spanned the whole spectrum and I love all of them.

Sevan Matossian (16:56):

Right. Uh, and, and were you, were you raised any, were you raised in a, in a, in a, the reason why I’m I’m digging in here is when you said it’s I look, I, I, I heard your story about, um, nine 11 happened and how you were enraged and how you wanted to contribute. And I’m just, I’m trying to figure out how, um, that, that never entered my mind. Um, when nine, when nine 11 happened, I’m wondering where, where that comes from. And, and I’m thinking maybe that it never entered my mind because of the way I was raised, but, but I’m trying to think where, yeah, I

Jason McCarthy (17:31):

Think that’s, that, that could be right. I mean, you know, I was, I was taught that America’s a great country and you know, I was taught that the flag means a lot, but it was also at a time, you know, it was also a different time because you know, the eighties and the nineties, there was no real like the military. I mean the cold war was different. It was kind of the CIA more than the military, special operations and bearded dudes and N VGs and stuff. Just wasn’t a thing. And you know, my, my grandparents, without coming from a specific kind of military vantage point, I mean, did hugely praise our country, you know? And, and so it it’s like, look, these are the opportunities that you have because you live here. And that, that makes, or obviously it left a mark, an, an impression that you, you and, and Sebastian young are, came from a, from the other side, right? The, the, the liberal order as he describes me and, and he expected his dad to support his kind of absolute independence, like do whatever you want. And his father told him, you don’t know your country, nothing, whatever might be, wait,

Sevan Matossian (18:37):

You lost me. Who’s Sebastian young.

Jason McCarthy (18:39):

He wrote a book called tribe. Right. He, he produced a, a film called Restrepo. Um, he’s, he’s one of the, the great, oh yes. War correspondence of, of our ever like, you know, and he, and he’s, he’s very liberal. Another guy I just loved the guy want to hear what he has to say about stuff came at it from a different perspective. He was a journalist, right. I ended up being a, a soldier. And, you know, I think that maybe you found out through your kids, which is a great way to do it also like serve America, serve your kids. Like

Sevan Matossian (19:11):

Those aren’t

Jason McCarthy (19:11):

Hundred aren’t different things like service is not just in that badass camo that you saw on our website. There’s a million different ways to do it. And, and we get into this problem cycle of I’ve gotta do this, or I’ve gotta do that in order to serve my country. Like, I don’t think that because I serve in the army, that makes me no better than, you know, anybody. Like it was a privilege. And an honor, my sister is an inner city school teacher in DC. God bless her. I can’t do that job. That’s not, for me. There’s all different kinds. You’ve got moms and dads trying to raise healthy, strong kids. That’s a fight worth fighting right now. And it’s hard, you know, it’s hard. We, I got crazy kids. I see your kids too. I got my kids are crazy, man.

Sevan Matossian (19:52):

How old are your kids?

Jason McCarthy (19:54):

10, seven and five.

Jason McCarthy (19:56):

Oh, wow. Wow.

Jason McCarthy (19:59):

And you know, they’re, they’re growing up getting kicked outside, like, Hey, and it’s not quite the same as, you know, when we were kids and it’s come back, right. Come back. When the street lights come on, it’s not quite like that, but it is, Hey, go outside. You gotta breathe some freedom. And we got it extra thick here in Florida, which is awesome. And you know, it’s like, go explore, go, go, go burn some energy off. Like, this is a normal thing. You know, our, our two younger ones are, are both boys. And they’re just pure chaos. I, I see your stuff with your kids. It’s, it’s like them. If, if you try to sit our youngest down and say, Hey, you know, read this book all day, he’ll go nuts. You know, he’s five.

Sevan Matossian (20:36):

Well, you can’t leave three boys in the house. Yes, yes. Swing. Yes. Swinging. Yes. You cannot leave the boys inside alone. They’ll they’ll, they’ll take our, while you’re, while you’re taking a dump, they’ll take apart the refrigerator. I mean, it is, it’s like living with monkeys.

Jason McCarthy (20:53):

<laugh> yeah, it is. I, I feel it. It’s great. Go outside, climb ropes and do stuff.

Sevan Matossian (20:59):

When we were, uh, um, I went to Africa, uh, several times with Greg to build schools there, uh, with Greg Glassman, the founder of CrossFit. And one time we were, um, sitting outside of, in front of our hotel room, drinking a cup of coffee in the morning. And there were like, I don’t know, a hundred monkeys. Um, they, they were the zoo monkeys, but they were free in the zoo in Kenya. The monkeys can come and go, you know, <laugh>. And they were over at our hotel and they were surrounding us and we were throwing macadamia, nuts, Adam, and shit. And they were coming down and Greg goes, wouldn’t it be awesome to just get a box of lighters and give it to these guys. <laugh> and I was like, oh shit, Burn Ken down in 20 there’s. So have you had any time with monkeys? Have you ever been anywhere where there’s monkeys, Jason?

Jason McCarthy (21:43):

Uh, I mean, Vietnam’s got ’em and yeah. So I’ve, I’ve seen that

Sevan Matossian (21:47):

They’re bat shit crazy. Aren’t they? Yeah. Checking your windows on your hotel room at night. Like they’re coming in. You’re like, oh

Mattew Ouza (21:52):


Sevan Matossian (21:53):

What the fuck are you

Mattew Ouza (21:56):


Sevan Matossian (21:58):

Does, does I saw Jimmy Letford on your Instagram account? Does that guy work for you or does, or is he your friend? Yeah.

Jason McCarthy (22:03):

Jimmy’s yeah. Jimmy’s great. He runs our growth.

Sevan Matossian (22:05):

Wow. He was one of the best people I ever worked with in my whole life. I re like, yeah, like if I, he was he’s great people. If I showed up at a meeting and he was there, I was like, it was as good as like the, like having a pretty girl in like one of my classes. Like I was so excited when I saw Jimmy. He’s a, he’s a cool dude.

Jason McCarthy (22:22):

I coach you on that. Jimmy is as good as a pretty girl.

Sevan Matossian (22:25):

Oh God, man. He’s such a cool dude. He’s and it’s always safe wherever he’s at that, that, that man can handle his business. There’s a calm to him. That’s uh, man. Well, well, you’re stoked. Um, can you pull, there’s a, um, uh, in the notes I sent you Matt, there’s a video of Jimmy drinking from a horn, um, and Instagram link. Did anyone beat him? No, no, no one did beat him. No. And there was a thousand dollars if you could beat him.

Jason McCarthy (22:52):

Yeah. I mean, he’s got special skills. I mean, that is a, the super power that he has. He harnessed it. Right. He harnessed it. I mean, he’s basically on that video. If, if you were listening to the audio, like he’s talking shit right now about, I don’t know what the fastest, anybody else has done this, but this is about to be the fastest. And everyone’s like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then that’s a whole beer inside of that Rams horn and it’s

Mattew Ouza (23:15):

Oh my gosh.

Sevan Matossian (23:19):

I mean, yeah. Um,

Jason McCarthy (23:21):

Special skills

Sevan Matossian (23:22):

<laugh> man, there, there are some great stories of, um, of, of him and Dave, the, him and Dave are friends. They’re they’re close friends, but there were, uh, something I learned being this, um, uh, liberal goofball coming from Berkeley and getting immersed with all these male guys is like, they can come close to fighting. And then like an hour later, like be friends. Like if that, if two that happens to two liberals, we don’t talk for six lifetimes <laugh>

Jason McCarthy (23:48):

Yeah. So there’s this, this cultural team room environment, right. And the team room in, in my case, it was 12 guys on a special forces team.

Sevan Matossian (23:55):

And you were, and you were green beret.

Jason McCarthy (23:57):

I was. Okay. And so, you know, you, you shut the door and it’s not that rank doesn’t exist. It’s just the, this is how the tip of the spear always sharpens iron sharp sharpens iron. Right. And it’s just, I mean, anything that anybody does is, is terrible. Like you are the worst ever. That’s the dumbest F and idea I’ve ever heard. Right. And you see if someone will back down from it and if they back down, you know, that they don’t actually, they’re not fully committed. Right. And so there, it’s just always this banter, everyone’s always trying to one up each other. And it, culturally, what it does is it creates, it creates an environment of like brotherhood and comradery, but it also makes everybody better cuz you’re accountable to them. So you’ve gotta kind of learn how to operate in that environment. The love language in, in the team room is, is great. I still hearken back to it and it’s very much like things can go to blow as fast. And then it’s like, all right, cool. Right. We’ve settled this for today. Tomorrow’s a new day. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (24:57):

Um, there’s this, uh, there’s this famous tennis academy in, um, in, in Florida. There’s a guy, Nick ball, Terry, I think who owned

Jason McCarthy (25:06):

Ball. He was agasi’s old coach.

Sevan Matossian (25:08):

Yeah. Okay. And, and, and he sold his tennis academy down there. Like the under Armour, I think under Armour maybe has sold it to someone else since then or something. But the, but basically it’s now it’s not just a, a tennis academy now. It’s like, I think everything, like, I think Kobe trained there as a kid and like, it’s like basketball, tennis, it’s this crazy academy. Anyway. So we went down there in the early years of CrossFit and there were like 15 CrossFiters like back in the Spieler days. Right. I don’t know if you, have you been around CrossFit for a long time?

Jason McCarthy (25:34):


Sevan Matossian (25:35):

Okay. Um, so, uh, so we went down there and, and um, and I think, um, uh, they were Dave’s athletes. Right? Cuz he ran the games, but I think Jimmy was like running the operation. Like he was coordinating it with the, um, the people at ball Terry’s camp. And basically it was like a three day workshop and they took CrossFiters through this spectrum. It’s like, um, it’s like the combine and, but, but um, for their athletes and they started taking the CrossFitters through it and of course CrossFiters were just destroying every record, but there was a team building event and we were in a small room and they had to do some role playing. And in the role playing, there were like certain rules. You couldn’t say like you couldn’t attack someone’s character or, or something. And, and uh, and, and, uh, it was supposed to be team building.

Sevan Matossian (26:17):

So you guys get closer together. And the first two people to go up there were, um, Dave and Jimmy now grant, we’re visiting these people. <laugh>, we’re fucking visiting these people. They’re taking us to a team built building event and within fucking 30 seconds, uh, they have to jump in between Jimmy and Dave, cuz they’re about to start fighting they’re in each other’s face, just fucking going off. And I had never seen anything like that. I was like, holy shit. It was nuts. Those people there have freaked out. Yeah. And Dave right away broke the rules. Like I was, I forgot what you’re not supposed to say to your teammate, but he went straight there like, fuck you. You’re not gonna tell him what to do. And Jimmy’s like, Jimmy, I think Jimmy maybe grabbed him. It was, it was awesome. <laugh> anyway, those

Jason McCarthy (26:57):

Are I’m. I’m gonna call Jimmy after this and

Sevan Matossian (26:59):

Ask him that story. Yeah. I’m leaving some stuff out purposely because I just, it shouldn’t be said some of the exchange, but it was fucking brilliant. And I was scared of both those guys. I mean,

Jason McCarthy (27:08):

God bless God bless Dave. Right? Um, Dave can handle his own. I have no doubt. I don’t fight dudes with cauliflower ears.

Sevan Matossian (27:15):

No, no, no, no, no. Jimmy walks into a bar and you switch bars. Yeah. Yeah.

Jason McCarthy (27:20):

Swinging knuckles this day and age. Like that’s some proof of bravado, man. We need to find new rights of passage. Cause that is not, that’s a great way to end up, you know, bad stuff. Like you never know what someone’s capable of. UN unless they have cauliflower ears. In which case don’t fight them.

Sevan Matossian (27:35):

Yeah. Every day I rub some sandpaper on mine. <laugh> You have cauliflower ears cuz I’m 600 podcasts in <laugh>. Um, what, um, uh, uh, yeah, I know. I know, but I, I, I have to leave this unsaid. I, I, I, I apologize. I apologize. Um, you know, who needs a, um, a, a R and maybe he hasn’t

Jason McCarthy (28:02):

Already like 300 million people, correct?

Sevan Matossian (28:04):

Sorry. You’re right. You’re right. Why, why, why two, two questions. Why doesn’t the liver king have a R and what’s the difference between a R and a weight vest in terms of, um, anything stimulus culture, um, effectiveness. But, but let’s start with the liver king that guy’s made for a R do you know who that is? Well,

Jason McCarthy (28:26):

Let’s get him

Sevan Matossian (28:27):

One. That’s the Jack dude in Texas who just eats raw meat. Do you know him? This is his shit right here. The ancestral supplements.

Jason McCarthy (28:34):


Sevan Matossian (28:35):

Will you bring? I think so. Will you bring him up? Let’s send him one. Yeah, he has this thing called the barbarian and it’s basically, he puts 20 pound ankle weights on his ankles and he carries two Ketle bells and, and he, and he, and he, and he pulls a sled. Yeah. And he pulls like 170 pound sled. He’s awesome. He’s awesome. He’s he’s, he’s, he’s just a one man. And people are always fixated on the fact that whether he’s juicing or not, I could give two fucks. I want to, he he’s just working in every video he’s working.

Jason McCarthy (29:06):

Yeah. That’s sweet.

Sevan Matossian (29:08):

Yeah. He’s a good dude. Brian Johnson. Brian Johnson. Okay. Afterwards, I’m gonna connect you to him.

Jason McCarthy (29:15):

Okay, great. So second question. Weight vest. Yes. Yes. Okay. So, you know, my, my past, same as same as Dave, same as Jimmy’s. I mean, weight vests are worn, you know, because you have body armor on both sides, right? I mean,

Sevan Matossian (29:26):

So, so there to protect you from bullets is, is what weight vest

Jason McCarthy (29:29):

Is. I mean, this is, this is sort of, you know, Murf Lieutenant Michael Murphy, medal of honor recipient, you know, God bless him and his family. I mean, the, he called MERF body armor when he came up with it, you know, mm-hmm, <affirmative> because you’re training as you fight. So there’s a couple problems. First off, do the thing. I’m not here to sit and say, don’t, don’t do the weight vest. I think, I think we’re born to carry. We need to carry more load more of the time to get better in our, in our lives. There’s a couple negatives to, to weight vests. Um, the first is, is that if someone and.

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