#380 – Stories from Odessa, Ukraine with Yevhenni pt. 7

Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Bam. We’re live. Caleb. You have Gus

Caleb Beaver (00:09):


Sevan Matossian (00:10):

You’re in, you’re in a country. That’s that’s in the middle of a war.

Yevhenii (00:15):

Oh, you think it’s middle already? Yes.

Sevan Matossian (00:17):

Oh, good point. Good point.

Caleb Beaver (00:19):


Yevhenii (00:21):

So, so two months more. We, we, we must see,

Sevan Matossian (00:25):

I guess not it’s just nuts. I guess. It’s not, not in relationship to time. We don’t know, but it’s just crazy. Once again, here I am. I’m sitting in the kitchen, near the beach and you’re sitting in the kitchen in, in a war.

Yevhenii (00:39):

Yeah. It’s first time we meet in, in the daylight.

Sevan Matossian (00:43):

Oh yeah. Thank you for doing this. It’s seven it’s 7:00 AM there. What time is it there?

Yevhenii (00:47):

Uh, it’s 5:00 PM.

Sevan Matossian (00:48):

Oh, good. I wonder if your mood’s gonna be different. Uh, you always have a good mood by the way that didn’t, you, you always have a good mood, but, but with the sun, maybe it’ll even be different.

Yevhenii (00:56):

Mm-hmm <affirmative> of course, in, in the day life, of course, it’s Sunday, today. Uh, you know, we have a big holiday in Ukraine now.

Sevan Matossian (01:04):

Oh, what’s the holiday.

Yevhenii (01:06):

It’s the Easter days We, uh, celebrate Easter on this day. People go to church to consecrate Easter bread. It’s like, uh, uh, holiday bread. Yes. And, uh, we gather with, uh, relatives and friends, uh, and celebrates the resurrection of Christ.

Sevan Matossian (01:30):

Oh yeah. That I was gonna say that’s what Easter is. Right. He died. And then, and then someone saw him raise from the wherever they buried him. They saw him, they saw him ascend. Right. Mm-hmm

Yevhenii (01:39):

<affirmative> mm-hmm

Sevan Matossian (01:40):

<affirmative> can we get a picture of that? Caleb ascend. Ascend. Yeah. Crazy nuts. And, uh, it will they, will they stop the fighting today or during this year? No. You still gotta, still gotta fight. Still gotta kill people.

Yevhenii (01:55):

Yeah. That’s very interesting when, uh, first, uh, they killed people and then you see the photos of Putin in the church, uh, and he’s praying, praying for, for everything’s good. Oh, this is, this is like this sign, you know?

Sevan Matossian (02:14):


Yevhenii (02:15):

And by the way, the, uh, press post photos with the Putin in the church. Yeah. Where he, he, uh, say good words. Yes. And this is the photo from the last year. So, uh, Putin sitting in the bunker and don’t want to show us.

Sevan Matossian (02:31):

Yeah. Hey, can you type in Putin church and see what we get Caleb. And is that what’s happening? Is he hidden? Is Putin hiding? Is he somewhere in a bunker?

Yevhenii (02:41):

It looks like that. All, all the, um, all people who work with that. Yes. Who look into, to this say, say about it. He, he, uh, not in Moscow. Yes. Yeah. And, uh, this is the photos from another records. Yes. From last year. Yeah. I read the articul about it,

Sevan Matossian (03:06):

Even though it says right there. Um, Russian president, Vladimir Putin, mayor Serge. Uh, so Bon attend the Orthodox Easter service at the cathedral of Christ, the savior in Moscow, Russia, April 23rd, 2022, that would’ve been yesterday. And what you’re saying is, is no.

Yevhenii (03:24):

And you can, uh, Google, uh, the 21st areas and they’re, they’re the site photos.

Sevan Matossian (03:33):

How old is Putin? How old is Putin?

Yevhenii (03:41):

69, 69 already.

Sevan Matossian (03:43):

Um, I, we saw yesterday, I saw press saying that, uh, Zelinsky said that, Hey, this, we have no control over the war. This is all in Putin’s hand. All he has to do is stop in and forth. Of

Yevhenii (03:52):

Course. Uh, I, uh, uh, watched this conference. Yes. Also. And he said that, uh, uh, they, uh, do whatever they, they can do. Yes. But the, uh, main actions it’s from other side. So we just protect, uh, our land and try to do something. Or this guys is, uh, thinking about rocket and other.

Sevan Matossian (04:19):

Yeah. Hey, um, did I see correctly? Did, did, uh, Elon write a, um, letter to the board at Twitter asking for them to reinstate Trump? Can you, can you check to see if that’s true? There was, there was this interview, um, that was on YouTube of, of, uh, president Trump a few weeks ago. It was only up for 12 hours. Uh, you have GU and it was the, and elk boys. They’re, they’re like some comedians here in the United States and they interviewed Trump and one of them said, Hey, if you’re friends with Putin, why can’t you just call him and tell him to stop fighting? And I forget

Yevhenii (04:52):

What he said. Yeah. I’m reading about it.

Sevan Matossian (04:54):

You, you did read about it.

Yevhenii (04:55):

Yeah. Yeah. I I’m interested in Trump. I see what, what he said. So it’s uh, good. Um,

Sevan Matossian (05:03):

Yeah, I, I forget what he said. It, it must have not been that profound because it didn’t stick with me. Um, what did, what, so, so you sent me some videos this morning is that, uh, that’s, Odesa, that’s just a few miles from you where buildings are on fire and bombs are hitting,

Yevhenii (05:20):

Uh, that was yesterday. So it’s, it’s day that, uh, turn out everything.

Sevan Matossian (05:29):

What do

Yevhenii (05:29):

You, we have a really calm situation in AEZ last week. And, uh, you know, what I, I, lately I, uh, told you that, uh, that, uh, half of people in a desk are sitting home when they heard air alarm. Yes. Right. So the last days we was like this also, when we heard air alarm, we just, okay. Uh, it’s everything fine now. And we, we can go to the corridor. Yes. And to the, uh, rule of two walls. So if the missile land, uh, we know that, uh, outdoor wall, uh, destroyed and we have some protection. Yeah. It’s what, uh, experts, right. Recommendation. Or if it’s, it’s in the night, late night and you have good, uh, sleep. So we just ignore it. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, yesterday was,

Sevan Matossian (06:28):

You don’t die. You just hope you don’t die.

Yevhenii (06:29):

Yeah. We, we hope that everything is fine. And is the, um, the theory of probability? Yes. And we, we will, uh, survive after that, but, uh, yesterday we sitting, uh, at home and that was after 40 minutes, like alarm is start. Yes. Look at,

Sevan Matossian (06:52):

Sorry. Look in this video, smoke’s coming out. Both sides of the building. Look at

Yevhenii (06:57):

10 minutes after explosion. So the guy’s coming Justin and, uh, take a video shot.

Sevan Matossian (07:04):

It’s crazy. Okay. Sorry. So you’re so yeah,

Yevhenii (07:08):

Yeah, yeah. Yes. And after 40 minutes, uh, we heard two explosions somewhere it’s far away. Yes. Yeah. And we like, oh, it’s, it’s not far from us. We go to the two, two walls. So start to thinking about, uh, our safeness. And after that, after two minutes, it’s another two explosions. But uh, near us, it’s not far from us. And, uh, our windows, uh, was like, like, uh, yeah. And this is what a joke. We go away with, uh, our things. Yes. And, uh, think what’s happening. And, uh, two more explosions. I think that we heard, but actually it was 10 explosions. And after that, we start to looking in telegram and people say that it’s DESA. And it’s the, uh, building with the people, just the complex with the houses. Yes. And they attack just like, like every time a regular building and write about, uh, in, in, in their, uh, press, they write that, uh, they destroyed the military object.

Sevan Matossian (08:30):

Um, so basically you’re living in Odessa, Ukraine, and yesterday there were 10 missile strikes.

Yevhenii (08:36):

Yeah. On the, that was, uh, 10, 10 missile. But, uh, most of them, uh, was destroyed, but our, our defense of SAS and there were four explosions, one of the rocket,

Sevan Matossian (08:54):

What happens to that building that was on fire. I I’m gonna ask you something so stupid. I’m so sorry. Does, does the fire department come and put that out? Like, what happens is that still burning right now? If you went outside with that building still?

Yevhenii (09:05):

No. The, uh, fire stations, uh, work already. Yes. And there was after hour after that, there was everything. Fire was a building, but the people dying, the two cars is, uh, fire up and, uh, and uh, already on the one minute.

Sevan Matossian (09:28):

So there were, there are people in that building who died. There were people in there. Right? Damn.

Yevhenii (09:32):

Yeah. That’s crazy. There is 10 people who died

Sevan Matossian (09:35):

In that, in that one, strike that building where the black smokes just billowing out 10 people died. Mm-hmm

Yevhenii (09:40):


Sevan Matossian (09:40):


Yevhenii (09:41):


Sevan Matossian (09:42):

Uh, and is that, is that a military? Is that a, a government building or something or, no, it’s just some random apartment building.

Yevhenii (09:48):

Just apartments. Yeah. Just people who, who live in a desert. It’s not the military structure or some government

Sevan Matossian (09:55):

That could have been your house.

Yevhenii (09:57):


Sevan Matossian (09:58):

What’s it say on the side of that building there that TN P a what is that?

Yevhenii (10:03):

It’s uh, the name of the complex. It’s

Sevan Matossian (10:06):

The, the Trump, Trump tower towers. That’s Trump and Ukrainian. That’s Trump towers like,

Yevhenii (10:10):

Like this. Yes. Yeah. So I, I have like this on my building also of, there was, uh, uh, two men who died in their car. They just file up from the explosion, from the pieces of rockets. Yes. That, uh,

Sevan Matossian (10:27):

Came to the ground.

Yevhenii (10:28):

Yes. And, uh, in this, uh, 10 people was, uh, little baby, three months child, real three months. And it’s enough to live for Putin.

Sevan Matossian (10:46):

Um, do they tell you why they’re attacking Oresa does anyone say why they’re doing it?

Yevhenii (10:51):

They write about, uh, uh, some military objects that they attacked. It’s a regular Russia, right. About all the building that they destroyed. So that’s a military object that some, uh, infrastructure object. So, uh, no, uh, civilians died just military.

Sevan Matossian (11:14):

Um, two days ago we had, uh, Armand SRA. He is a UFC fighter from Russia. He’s an Armenian guy. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I asked him, uh, why are you training in the United States? He said, because if you’re in Russia training, you might not get out. And, um, he said, getting traveling in and out of Russia is difficult. And I said, do the people believe the story that’s being told them about the war in Russia? He said, no, no one believes the TV set there. I said, so does anyone know what’s going on? He said, no, no. Like we don’t know, but I, I, I think he did say that they, that they were told it’s not a war. The Russian people are being told it’s not a war

Yevhenii (11:53):

In this special operation.

Sevan Matossian (11:54):

Yeah. If I, if I heard correctly, I’m a missile strike on a building. Uh, I don’t know how far is Odesa from the Russian border. It’s far right?

Yevhenii (12:04):

It’s far. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (12:06):

Yeah. It seems. I, I, I mean, at that, at that point, that’s about as terrorist attack as you can be, or you’re at war. I mean, you can’t, you can’t be, I mean, what was the special operation to attack? Yes.

Yevhenii (12:17):

It’s, it’s not look like a special operation. Of course. No. Uh, Russia, Russian people can say war it’s the, uh, war that they, uh, just, uh, close for Russian people. If you say war, you can go to the jail.

Sevan Matossian (12:35):

Is Crimea considered Russia?

Yevhenii (12:38):

No. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (12:39):

No. Okay. So in that respect, it’s close. But other than that, it’s not close at all. It’s thousands of miles.

Caleb Beaver (12:45):

Yeah. It’s on the, like, this is all of Ukraine it’s on like the far Western side. And then Russia’s way the hell over there.

Yevhenii (12:54):

And you must know that, uh, not far from, it’s a Heron region and it’s not, it’s now occupied, but by Russians. So, uh, from crimee yes. They go with the troops, uh,

Sevan Matossian (13:11):

Where the, where is occupied now in Ukraine, show me that

Yevhenii (13:16):

Hear San Reon where the Marple you can see now. Yes. Heron is, uh,

Sevan Matossian (13:21):

Oh, I saw it on the right side of the screen there. Mary, if you go back to that screen, I think I saw it on the right side there. Um, Caleb.

Yevhenii (13:28):

Yes. So, so they, when

Sevan Matossian (13:30):

You say occupied, what do you mean? How many troops are there?

Yevhenii (13:35):

It’s the territory that’s controlled by Russians. I don’t know how much troops there, but, uh, they stay in there. They want to, uh, start a referendum there to, uh, create the, uh, Republic there. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (13:51):


Yevhenii (13:53):

Like in, uh, Dunbar and

Sevan Matossian (13:56):

Wow. They really are gonna try to take the Ukraine. Hey, didn’t they flatten Maral

Caleb Beaver (14:06):

Uh, pretty

Yevhenii (14:07):

Much, yeah. Please repeat.

Sevan Matossian (14:08):

Didn’t didn’t the Russians flatten mayoral. Isn’t it pretty much its toast. Right? The city they bomb City,

Yevhenii (14:15):

Right. Maral is destroyed. Totally. But now, uh, uh, there is a plant as though, as skull. Yes. And, uh, there is, uh, 2000 people underground and, uh, the, uh, Ukrainian, uh, troops And they, uh, see in there and, uh, Russia, uh, staying and wait till these people dying from the hunger. Yes. And, uh, uh, now, uh, zillion, uh, tried to talk, uh, about, uh, uh, green corridor for these people. Yes. Because this situation without, uh, uh, without good decision, uh, they, they can’t do nothing there, but Russian staying and, uh, waiting. So they, uh, attacking, uh, this as a, but usually just waiting, uh, and see like people dying underground. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (15:19):

So if I understand you correctly, basically Russia is trying to take Ukraine and Mary’s gonna be basically their home base. That’s the first city they’re taking. And from there, they’re just gonna spread and try to take the entire country and Ann sit and make it part of Russia five years from now, all of Ukraine might be called Russia,

Yevhenii (15:37):


Sevan Matossian (15:39):

Where is Linsky? Do we know

Yevhenii (15:42):

In ki he is, uh, on, on the yesterday’s conference. Uh, he sitting in the, one of the station on the Metro. Yeah. Uh, and they are railway on the ground.

Sevan Matossian (15:54):


Sevan Matossian (15:56):

Do you have any thoughts and predictions on what’s gonna happen?

Yevhenii (16:00):

Uh, now every expert say that Ukraine doing well and, uh, they try to, uh, hold all the, uh, east of the country. Yes. Uh, to that position that they can. And, uh, many cities on the east, uh, Ukrainian troops is, uh, take from Russians already, but it’s, it’s the, uh, the best about Mario because, uh, you can just go there, kill Russians and, uh, uh, free hour people. Yes. This is a dissertation that must, uh, uh, finish with diplomatic, but, uh, Russia don’t want to do nothing. They just playing in their game and, and just wait, but you can, uh, you can see, uh, I, I saw the news about, uh, uh, 40 kilometer, no, 40 meters kilo. I, I don’t four kilometers, four kilo cemetery near Mario for the graves that, uh, joined by Russians. Yes. So, so they, if you remember, BCHA, uh, yep. A thousand of people master. Yes. And now in myo, we can see five butas or tens already. This is, it’s a big city. It’s a much bigger city than BCHA and Russian stayed there for the long time.

Sevan Matossian (17:30):

Um, how, how, how are you doing, do you have any, a few weeks ago, we talked to you and there was a chance you were thinking about going to leave, escorting your, your girlfriend to leave mm-hmm <affirmative>. Um, do you have any, any plans now, or since then, it seemed like you were kind of just holding tight

Yevhenii (17:46):

After yesterday’s situation. We think, uh, much faster. Yes. Yeah. And I want to go home now for, for, to the north Ukraine. Yes. To see my parents and, uh, some friends and staying there for a couple of weeks and see what, what happened. Cause, uh, cause I think it’s, it’s not, uh, one event with the rockets in AEs, so the provocations will continue and you don’t know what the build, what building will be next after, after that. So it’s, it’s totally random. Okay. They, they, uh, don’t want to hurt structure. They just do some terrorist stuff and, and it’s crazy.

Sevan Matossian (18:36):

Do you see, um, you creating soldiers in the streets of Odesa?

Yevhenii (18:40):

Uh, yeah, not usually, but we see many policemen. Yes. And, uh, territory defense guys. Yes. Who, but militaries it’s tactical? Uh, most that they, uh, take the positions. Yes. It’s, uh, it’s bad for city in the war when, uh, troops just, uh, look in city is the provocation for Russians. Uh, you might be done forget about the Russian guys who just live in a I yes. And, uh, give information for militaries. So it’s, it’s an a lot, every day we read the news about, uh, uh, new guys who, who take, who was taken and who regularly send information and talking about the position of our military. So this is, uh, uh, dangerous games. You know,

Sevan Matossian (19:38):

Why, why not go to Mary EAL and just attack? Why not just bring the, the fight to them because of the citizens there,

Yevhenii (19:44):

I, I dunno way, there is not too much citizens. Yes. I read about, uh, big amount of people who go away. But, uh, they, uh, they talking about two hundreds of people who can be in Mar now.

Sevan Matossian (20:02):

Right? Not thousands. Just hundreds,

Yevhenii (20:05):

No hundreds of thousands. Two hundreds of thousand. Yeah. It’s very big cities. Like, like, like AESA, it’s city on the coast of of course, but not, uh, black sea. There is as OOC. Yes. This is a big, big strateg city also. And, uh, what, what is bad that, uh, from there, uh, Russia can just, uh, take away passports and documents from the people. Yes. And move there to, to Russia, to work on, on some, some far away territory. And nobody knows where these people, yes. This is what they, uh, did, uh, for, for all the history they take, uh, take people from, uh, from their place and move it work on the, uh, on the territory where not too much people where the winter, all the time, you know, territory.

Sevan Matossian (21:08):


Yevhenii (21:09):

The, the, there are a lot of territory, really big territory. And, uh, they don’t have money to do the good city there. Yes. Good infrastructure. And, uh, uh, historically they just, uh, move people there. Say, just try to you here. Yes. And people, right. People moved by, by their themselves, something and Linsky yesterday say about, uh, 500,000 people who moved to Russia. Yes. And that was

Sevan Matossian (21:43):

Ukrainians 500,000 Ukrainians have moved to Russia.

Yevhenii (21:46):

Yes. And that was not just people who, okay. I go to Russia. No, this is people who take away stolen from Ukraine and, uh, uh, go there. This is fir first matter they send, uh, people to, uh, this re yes. And there is a second, uh, uh, they Ize this guys, the Ukrainian and, uh, save them to go and to kill Ukrainian people. So they Ize their to, to their troops. Yes. Yeah. And yes. And to say, go and, uh, go and kill Ukrainians

Sevan Matossian (22:28):

In Russia or in Ukraine,

Yevhenii (22:31):

In Ukraine,

Sevan Matossian (22:32):

In Ukraine. So, so let me see this, if I understand this correctly, 500,000 Ukrainians have been moved out of Ukraine by Russian forces and brought to, and, and they’re basically being taken to, um, areas where that are underpopulated in Russia and saying, okay, this is now your new home

Yevhenii (22:52):

Like that. And these people without documents. So they grab all the, all the documents and you just, I don’t know, some contracts or something. So it’s, it’s like slavery. Yeah, yeah,

Sevan Matossian (23:08):

Yeah, yeah. That’s exactly, you know, this happened, I’m sure it’s happened all over the world, but this happened in a Dominican Republic and, uh, mm-hmm, <affirmative>, you know, they share an island over there with the country of Haiti and tons of Haitians were taken and brought to Dominican Republic to, to work. I think a million man. Wow. So how did do they do that? That’s done with trains. How do you move that many people,

Yevhenii (23:34):

Uh, with train, I dunno, airplanes, maybe.

Sevan Matossian (23:39):

Do you know anyone? Do you have any friends or relatives who’ve been taken to Russia?

Yevhenii (23:44):

Uh, I agreed to say no.

Sevan Matossian (23:47):

Good. Yeah.

Yevhenii (23:48):

Yeah. Wow.

Sevan Matossian (23:50):

Holy shit. Have you, um, you have GU have you had any, any, any breakdowns yet you personally have, you had just, just like what the fuck is going on and you start crying. Have you had,

Yevhenii (24:04):

Uh, I sit in yesterday, um, just like here, you know? Yeah. And I don’t know what to, what to do next. I’m, uh, literally I forget about the, that we must meet today. Yes. And, uh, yesterday I’m sitting at five o’clock and seeing things that we must start podcast, uh, that time. And then I’m just, okay. That that happened. And, you know, it’s one day you sit in a totally, uh, bad mood and don’t want her to do nothing. And next day you can have a good mood. Yeah. And go work. It’s now it’s, uh, simple for me to be in when I go to work. Cause I have some schedule by classes and have some people. So it’s, it’s something that, uh, give you to fresh brief. And when I talk to, uh, uh, relax, uh, air alarms, yes. It’s usually when I on classes, uh, an outdoors, yes. Or in the gym. I’m, don’t, don’t hear the air alarm just so I can go classes and just write, uh, look on my phone. And there is a half of hour like, uh, air alarm already. So it’s like a part of the life you live in this, you live with the air, uh, alarms, you live with this news. Uh, you live with the explosions yes. Near your house. And this is so scary.

Sevan Matossian (25:37):

Um, are, are the alarms every day?

Yevhenii (25:41):

Uh, mostly, uh, it was, uh, quite a little by less by last week. Yes. It’s one alarm a day, maybe two, but the last, last three days, it’s much more because of celebration. Yes. Russia want to, uh, uh, like give us a present. Yes. You want to celebrate guys, please go to this shelter and celebrate there.

Sevan Matossian (26:13):

Ma’am has any, is any part of you like, fuck this, I’m outta here. I’m gonna pack up my shit and go to Mexico city and start a new life.

Yevhenii (26:21):

Uh, it’s not, uh, real now go to the Mexico because, uh, I’m like a man, I can’t go to the brother, you know? Right,

Sevan Matossian (26:30):


Yevhenii (26:32):

So it’s, I can move, uh, just in country. Yeah. And, uh, not too much place now in country where you can be safe. So, uh, you’re talking to Viv yes. About view, but we now have such, uh, air alarms, like in AESA. Yes. We also have explosions time of the time and the realities that all the Ukraine now, it’s it very safe place. But with, with this, we have a lot of, uh, people from other countries. Yes. Uh, diplomats and, and political who go to Ukraine and like, uh, talking with Linsky, try to do something and, uh, to, uh, keep us motivate to don’t be in the APA and, uh, negative.

Sevan Matossian (27:29):

Yeah. You’re, you’re, you’re living in a country that another country is, is, is basically trying to take, I mean, that’s the objective. I mean, I don’t know

Yevhenii (27:39):

The point. What is that?

Sevan Matossian (27:41):

What does that even look like if Russia wins, then it’s just to a bunch of Ukrainians living in Russia.

Yevhenii (27:47):

Uh, I don’t want seeing about that, but, uh, what we see from the occupied territory, the troops just, uh, kill all demands. Mostly of demands. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (27:59):

So it’s just to be a genocide. It won’t even be to occupy. They’re just gonna

Yevhenii (28:02):

Ukrainian people. They raise if, uh, women like, like animals. Yes. They it’s, it’s fucking crazy. Yes. And, uh, they don’t need Ukrainians it’s genocide and, um, many countries now, uh, talk about it. So they, uh, uh, with us in this situation, and I don’t believe in good life. Some life was Russian. Right. You know, uh, what, the main point from the last weeks from me. So I was the guy who listen in Russian music who, uh, following Russian coaches. Yes. Because, because of, uh, their, uh, after yes. And, uh, some, some good points that I, that I like them. Yes. Right. I’m watch Russian bloggers. Right. For, for, for years. Yes. And oh, Russian movies is very bad. Yes. But what, what the statement? So I, I was like a part of this propaganda for these years. And, uh, I think about Russian products, like about brothers products.

Yevhenii (29:16):

And this is, was my mistake in this. I, I, uh, and now also on my trainings in ESA, I use Russian language because, because it’s useful for most people in that. Yes. And this is how it works by the years. I’m the guy who 27 years old. And for these times, I, I, I really good know about Russian bloggers about all this stuff, about the culture. But I realize that I know very little about Ukrainian stuff, you know, how it works. So now I try to delay everything Russians from life, and to start to start thinking different because it.

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