#375 – Josiah Frazier

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

We’re early. Bam. We’re live 90 seconds early. Does it look like there’s a filter on my face? Like, does it look how smooth my skin looks?

Mattew Ouza (00:09):

That looks good.

Sevan Matossian (00:10):

Yeah. Did you see that? Um, can you pull up my Instagram? I, I made this, I posted this picture of myself where I just sharpened it. I took it into, uh, Google’s app and just sharpened as much as I could and structured it as much as

Mattew Ouza (00:24):

I could, which, uh,

Sevan Matossian (00:25):

I think it’s the Sian. The one that shadow band. Got it. You’re not shadow band. Those are just restrictions. Those are just restriction. Uh, fine.

Mattew Ouza (00:31):

Fine. You’ve gotta get the community guidelines.

Sevan Matossian (00:33):

Fine, fine. Have restrictions. I don’t know. To me, it’s all shadow band

Mattew Ouza (00:39):


Sevan Matossian (00:40):

If you have a hundred thousand followers and you get three likes blaming on shadow band, no matter what, keep going down, keep going down, keep going, keep going. You’ll see it. It’s just a fucking picture of me. And it’s like a close up there. It is on the right. See that, look at that. Compared to like how I look now. That’s like everything like turned up full blast. Right. You know what I mean? That’s like, like, if you wanna look like you have abs you, uh,

Mattew Ouza (01:05):

Put that filter on.

Sevan Matossian (01:06):

Yes. Yes. You

Mattew Ouza (01:08):

Just given it all a nice gray look to it.

Sevan Matossian (01:10):

I didn’t put any gunk in my hair this morning. Either

Mattew Ouza (01:13):

Gun, the official product of the Seon podcast gun.

Sevan Matossian (01:15):

The gun is so expensive. Oh my goodness. Uh, good morning everyone. Uh, Mr. Matt Reynolds. Devesh uh, Mr. Wayne. I was billing house. Uh, a good morning. Be housing, be housing. Uh, Doug mess with the ISO. No, no, no. ISO affects the brightness when mess with the ISO Bruce Wayne. Just dropping shit out there. I, that is one thing I do know about ISO shutter speed, but sure.

Mattew Ouza (01:47):

I feel like you’re sitting a little lower this morning with the camera

Sevan Matossian (01:50):

About that.

Mattew Ouza (01:50):

How about that? Ah, there you go.

Sevan Matossian (01:53):

I look when

Mattew Ouza (01:54):

I, I feel like I was on the tall stool.

Sevan Matossian (01:55):

When I tilt the camera down, I looked taller only if real life is like that. Mr. Josiah.

Josiah Frazer (02:02):

Hello? Good

Sevan Matossian (02:03):

Morning. Oh, what’s up brother? Of course I have the wrong headset on.

Josiah Frazer (02:06):

Yeah. I don’t know if my, um, my AirPods are not working with this and I don’t know why

Sevan Matossian (02:14):

You sound good. I can hear, oh, you can’t hear us, but we can hear you.

Josiah Frazer (02:17):

I, I can, it’s on like, it’s on speaker phone on my, on my phone. But like when I was listening earlier on my phone, my AirPods were connected to my phone, but right when I entered the studio, they disconnected.

Sevan Matossian (02:28):

Let me see.

Josiah Frazer (02:30):

And I don’t know why

Mattew Ouza (02:32):

I also try to log out. Log back in.

Sevan Matossian (02:35):

I went to the settings. I, I I’m impotent IM impotent, impotent. I don’t have those kind of access to those types

Josiah Frazer (02:41):

Of let me disconnect and connect again. Let me see if works.

Sevan Matossian (02:46):

No worries. Handle it. Oh yes. It is a Vito shirt, Travis, this morning. It is. It is. It is. I, um, when I, when I left the house to come down here to, um, Newport, I couldn’t find all my, uh, podcast shirts. It was weird. Like they were purposely hidden from me. Well,

Mattew Ouza (03:04):

How many days a week did they pick up the trash

Josiah Frazer (03:05):

Here? Can you guys, can you guys hear me? Okay.

Sevan Matossian (03:07):

I hear you. Great. You sound great. Could

Mattew Ouza (03:09):

Hear you awesome.

Josiah Frazer (03:09):

I mean, hold on one second.

Mattew Ouza (03:14):

In the meantime, drink some paper free coffee.

Sevan Matossian (03:16):

Can you hear that? When I drink the coffee? Yes.

Mattew Ouza (03:18):

Well, I felt like you were ears.

Josiah Frazer (03:21):

Fuck the fuck. The AirPods. We’re just gonna do this. Uh, we’re gonna free ball. It let’s go.

Sevan Matossian (03:26):

You sound good. You sound good. Yeah. Hey, I’m Josiah. You know, I was at a, I went to a, um, Easter egg hunt yesterday and there was this lady there in, um, and I’m in Newport. So the lady was 70, but she looks like she’s 50. Yeah. And, uh,

Mattew Ouza (03:40):

LA 70.

Sevan Matossian (03:41):

Yeah, LA 70. And she told me I, and she told me I had really nice hair and I hadn’t heard that in a, and I’m starting to grow my hair long again. I’m trying to go for this, like see what happens the you’ve

Josiah Frazer (03:52):

Got. So you, you have like the, um, the do ekis, uh, swab.

Sevan Matossian (03:57):

Most interesting man. Most

Josiah Frazer (03:58):

Interesting man in the world. Uh, state thirsty, my friends kind of hair. Yeah.

Mattew Ouza (04:02):

Oh, he just made his day. Yeah, he’s pumped.

Sevan Matossian (04:06):

Hey, um, uh, you used to have an amazing body. Do you still have an amazing body? I squirrel through your Instagram and you used to look like a model?

Josiah Frazer (04:14):

Not anymore. No,

Sevan Matossian (04:15):

No, no.

Josiah Frazer (04:17):

COVID fucked all that up.

Mattew Ouza (04:20):

Yeah. Um,

Sevan Matossian (04:21):

Do you rain?

Josiah Frazer (04:23):

No, actually that’s, that’s the funniest thing, people, uh it’s. I mean, all jokes aside almost every day, I get like, you know, the stereotypical, do you play football? You know, what do you do? How much do you lift bro? That kind of stuff. And it’s like, dude, I just do like Calin at home. Like I’ve never, I’ve been in a gym maybe twice in my entire life. And like, it it’s just, I, I get so much fucking anxiety over gyms. Like I just, it’s something about like people watching me sweat. It’s just a weird fucking thing to me. So, you know,

Sevan Matossian (04:55):

Ah, let, that’s a good place to throw this in. Can you play, um, the, um, anxiety song? This will introduce you, everyone to all listeners. This one’s great. This one’s great. This one I’m like, oh yeah, this is me. This is me before every podcast. Why do I do this to

Josiah Frazer (05:09):


Josiah Frazer (05:10):

Now when you’re in a crowd, you might have that shit too. It’s a fucking bitch to put up with my mother fucking brain. Cause when anyone is near me, I feel like I’m insane. I cannot even hold a freaking simple conversation. My fucked up head puts me in a mental fucking isolation. I am so fucking awkward talking to any other human. My words are like a fucking pile of B and confusion. So if you have a fucking lack of social skills like me, then sing with me the fuck you the fuck anxiety.

Sevan Matossian (05:35):

Oh yeah. Gotcha.

Mattew Ouza (05:35):


Josiah Frazer (05:37):

Fuck that song. I’m kidding.

Mattew Ouza (05:41):


Sevan Matossian (05:41):

A million questions. Um, some, some fun, um, superficial ones like, and I love a good superficial question. I love hair talk. Um, and then, and then, and then way, way out into the deep end and figure out why we’re here on planet earth. Sure. Um, uh, where to start? Um, H how, how old are you?

Josiah Frazer (06:02):

33, 33.

Sevan Matossian (06:04):

And, uh, my anx, this is my anxiety. Uh, this is my blanket. I pretend to write shit down when people talk and that makes me feel like I’m doing something.

Josiah Frazer (06:14):

Yeah. I have a, uh, I have a tablet that’s over. Were there, it’s dead from last night’s live, but I, I have it out every live and I act like I’m doing shit on there, but I’m, I’m never doing it. It’s just something to like, fidget with and look at while I’m talking to people from around the world. Cause it’s like fucking it just, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (06:31):

Ah, you’re 33. Let me write that down. Yeah. And, um, and, and, and how tall are you?

Josiah Frazer (06:41):

I’m six. Four.

Sevan Matossian (06:42):

Yeah, man.

Josiah Frazer (06:44):

My dad is six, eight, so that’s, it was so funny. A girl came up to me yesterday, randomly. I was walking around and as I normally do and uh, and she comes up to me, she’s like, you’re tall. She’s like, and she, she was like maybe five and she was like, wanna switch. And I’m like, oh, she, no, first she goes like, who in your family is tall? And I was like, me and my dad, he’s six, eight. She’s like wanna switch. And I was like, well, I mean, it’s not all like fun in games. We have to look out for ceiling fans and she’s like, oh no, fuck that. Then I’m like, okay, cool. You know,

Sevan Matossian (07:18):

Duck under doorways. So yesterday we were, we were walking, um, uh, Susan and I, oh, by the way, Matt, Josiah, Josiah. Matt’s up, bro. I’m several nice to meet you.

Josiah Frazer (07:28):

Hello. Nice to meet you.

Sevan Matossian (07:29):

And, uh, we’re walking along the, the, you know, the, the concrete that’s adjacent to the great Pacific ocean. Yeah. And, uh, there’s this, uh, there’s this lady behind us and she’s probably about six, eight, about six eight. What? Yeah, it was nuts. She’s probably six between six, five and six eight. And she’s probably, I, I probably like 310 pounds. I was going 2 85, 2 85. All muscle too. Yeah. Just

Josiah Frazer (07:57):

All muscle, like

Sevan Matossian (07:58):

Huge titties, huge ass. Just holy holy fell. Yeah. And, and, you know, part of me was like, well, maybe it’s a dude, but I, but I, I heard her talk and I mean, was, it was just beautiful. I mean, it was just sounded like a girl to me. So, so anyway, so I, I let, I pretended like I was using my phone so she could catch up. And then when she walked in front, walked past us, we walked behind her. And what was crazy is she was sauntering and we were keeping up a really good pace and we couldn’t catch her. And I wanted to, um,

Josiah Frazer (08:29):

Do those long strides, bro. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (08:31):

She gets moving. And so, and so we lost her. We walked for like 20 minutes and we lost her. We got lost in our own talk and I stopped watching her. And um, and then we went into, uh, a store here, supermarket here into the Starbucks. And, uh, there she was, and I had this, I turned to Susan. I was like, I just want to be friends with that person because

Josiah Frazer (08:50):

She, when real quick, when, when you saw her, did Adele’s hello? Come on in your head.

Sevan Matossian (08:55):

No. Okay. No, but I like that. I love that question. That proves how hardcore a musician you are. And I really like Adele too. I would like to like, if Dell could be my babysitter back in time as a little boy, I would be in heaven.

Josiah Frazer (09:08):

You know, what’s funny is like, I’m not, I actually don’t like Adele. Like, I, I love her voice, but like something about, I don’t know, her songs, like I respect her, is that look, anybody that, you know, makes a living outta what they do and they’re passionate about what they do. I fucking respect you. But, uh, but I mean, to me, it’s just, it’s not my style, but like, I, I, you know, I love her, but I, I don’t love her. You know, it’s weird.

Sevan Matossian (09:29):

Um, last night on your live calling, you were sick as a dog and now you’re healthy and sexy as a, as a

Josiah Frazer (09:34):

Whatever. So I actually took a lot of drugs to feel like this right now. Uh, I woke up at you, you fuckers got me up at 6:00 AM, which is a feed itself. And, uh, and so yeah, it, I, you know, I must love you guys. I don’t even know you because I, uh, yeah, I don’t wake up at 6:00 AM. Well,

Mattew Ouza (09:51):

We do appreciate it. Thank you.

Sevan Matossian (09:53):

I, um, I do this, um, I have three little boys and so I do this, my podcast always at this, or not always, but predominantly at this time. So that at eight 30, when we’re done, I can just be like, ah,

Josiah Frazer (10:05):

Totally. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (10:06):

Yeah. Just immerse me.

Josiah Frazer (10:07):

I don’t know what I’m gonna do with the rest of the day. I’m like, wow, this is what normal people do. They wake up at. Oh, cool. Like I have so much time, but it’s gonna be great.

Mattew Ouza (10:16):

Yeah. You’ll feel like half the day is over and it’ll only be noon.

Josiah Frazer (10:19):

Yeah. I’m like, oh shit. Now what I mean, I guess I dunno.

Sevan Matossian (10:23):

You know, and napping, nappings an awesome thing too. Actually, I don’t, that’s amazing. And I think it’s a little bit of a misnomer to call it a nap, but usually around one o’clock every day I lie on my back and I try just to move all my awareness into my body. Okay. So basically take it all out, like concentrate on my hands or on my knees or on my, and I try to stay awake as hard as I can. And I usually will get like pretty high and like tingly and have this like energy, what I call an energy body experience. Yeah. And then I, um, and then I’ll fall asleep and then I’ll wake up and I’m refreshed. It’s usually like 20 minutes on the button.

Josiah Frazer (10:53):


Sevan Matossian (10:53):

Yeah. I highly recommend it.

Josiah Frazer (10:55):

That’s I’ve never, well, well, to me, like when I lay flat, like it, it gets, I like, I have a, I just got diagnosed with like chronic sinusitis. So it’s like, I gotta go see an T in a few weeks and then an allergist, cuz like my allergies are all fucked up. As you heard last night, if you’re on my life and its just like,

Sevan Matossian (11:12):

Yeah, it was crazy. I’m like, oh he’s gonna be so congested

Josiah Frazer (11:15):

Fucked. Yeah. So I took uh, nasal spray, some, a B vitamin, some pill. Like I was just like, oh, I’m like, I can’t sound like crap, you know, but I still kind of do, but whatever. But uh, yeah. So I mean, I, I, uh, yeah, I don’t even know where I was going with that. I literally lost my train of thought right now. So,

Sevan Matossian (11:31):

So this giant woman, I, I, I just wanted to be her friend because she was a giant woman for the most superficial reasons. And I turn to Susan, I go, I’m I’m five, five. So like I’m not short enough for someone to be like, oh he’s three, two. I wanna meet him, but I’m not even close. I’m not close to short enough to be interesting enough to meet. So I guess I have to grow this facial hair. I guess that’s what my facial hair is that someone will, I want to lure people in on

Mattew Ouza (11:58):

Click bait.

Josiah Frazer (11:59):

If I can be, if I can be completely Frank with you. Um, please, please. I don’t even know who Frank is, but if I can be, uh, him with you. Yes. Then, uh, the reason that I decided to do this podcast was because you looked like the most interesting man in the world. I was like, yes, this look, this man looks like a man. I can trust, uh, arrived. I don’t even, I don’t even know him. And uh, I, he has a trustable face and it’s because mostly of your facial hair

Sevan Matossian (12:23):

When I was a photographer, um, I, I guess I still am. I, when I, when in my, like when I was about 35, I knew that if I grew a long beard, people were strangers were much street photography was so much easier. Yeah. Like if you’re not trying to qu or trying to be cute, or if you just are like, look a little more frazzled, like an artist. Yeah. There’s a trust look a little more rugged. Yeah. Yeah. There’ll be a trust. Like if

Mattew Ouza (12:48):

It’s me, I’m just a weirdo. Like if you look like me, people are like,

Sevan Matossian (12:52):

Yeah. Like Even Josiah is, um, that that’s artist here. That’s like, okay. Um, yeah, people are comfortable with letting him go up on stage and sing or tell a joke. Right. Or, or, you know, hold their baby or, you know what I mean? It’s like, there’s

Josiah Frazer (13:06):

A, well, I mean, yeah, let’s not get too crazy. I I’m not in the baby territory like you yet, but yeah. I’m, I’m getting there.

Sevan Matossian (13:18):

Um, how did, how did this, um, so, so tell me about musician. Tell me about the first time a musical instrument got in your hands.

Josiah Frazer (13:25):

Oh shit, bro. It, well, I mean, you know, reader’s digest version. Basically. My dad, who I was talking about earlier, he is an incredible musician. Um, he plays piano, guitar, drums, and bass. Um, he is, uh, he plays by ear so he can pretty much listen to anything on any instrument and, uh, that he plays and just play it. Um, and so we went through, when I was a child growing up, like we went through all the, you know, all the instruments and I failed it, all of them. And then, uh, drum was like a last resort. So I, he gave me like this, what

Sevan Matossian (14:00):

Age are you talking now? What age about?

Josiah Frazer (14:02):

I was, uh, I was thir, uh, I was fuck, it’s been 20 years. I was 13. Um, when I got my sunlight, uh, this beat up like bottom of the barrel sunlight drum set and I started playing and I fell in love immediately. He taught me a basic four, four beat. And then I was like, all right, dad, I got it. And I put on, uh, I just put on headphones and I, we had CDs back then. And so, you know, I would put on a boombox with CDs, cut connected to my headphones. We had a little plastic shield in my room and I would just, uh, give the whole neighborhood a headache for hours a day, just learning their songs. And, and, uh, that’s how I taught myself to play drums.

Sevan Matossian (14:40):

And you liked it?

Josiah Frazer (14:42):

Oh, I, it was, it was an outlet that I didn’t know I needed.

Sevan Matossian (14:45):

Um, did you like it because you were, um, I’ll give you three options and then you can be like none of those. Um, it, cause it made your dad happy and everyone wants to make their parents happy because you were good at it or, um, or you actually like liked playing or, or maybe all three,

Josiah Frazer (15:02):

I think maybe a combination. Um, but I mean it, of course like growing up, like my dad was my hero. Um, and it’s a, it’s a different dynamic now, which is interesting, but like, I mean, it was, you know, he, he was this great musician that, that I wanted to emulate. And, um, and so I, I kind of felt like, you know, I wanted to do these things. I wasn’t good at sports. Like I was tall and built like, you know, sports an athlete should be, but I mean, I, I was, I was, it was just never my passion, you know, and to this day, people are like, did you play football? I’m like, nah, you know, uh, my dad was a semi-pro, uh, you know, all across the world, he played basketball and stuff. And, but I mean, like music was always my thing and it, it translates now even into what I do now. So, you know, it kind of, uh, ignited that spark.

Sevan Matossian (15:52):

Do you have a, um, uh, and, and, and just so people know his, dad’s not just a, uh, good musician or a great musician, Josiah would argue that maybe he’s one of the best bass players on the planet today, correct?

Josiah Frazer (16:03):

A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (16:05):

Just a, just a complete, uh, um, genius at it.

Josiah Frazer (16:09):

Just a, a absolute bad asset at base. He, he just, I mean, he’s got a, uh, a 76 forest string fender jazz that he, I mean, I remember being in the house and he would play late at night and, uh, he would connect it to his amp. And I mean, you know, he would just, he had the, like this two story house and he would just like play and, and pictures would run off the walls and it’s like 10, 11 at night. And like, it, it just, it was incredible. Like I would just fall asleep to him playing bass, like, and he just, you know, that slap bass, he has really large hands, so he can get all across the frats really easily. And it’s just it’s, it was incredible to, to be. And then when I became, um, good enough to play drums, we would do gyms that, which was really cool. And it helped me to kind of hone in on my, uh, skills that I never knew I had and still really don’t, but yeah.

Sevan Matossian (17:01):

Is that what it looks like? I don’t even know the it’s

Josiah Frazer (17:04):

More the black one on the, it, it, look, it, it is the guitar there, but it looks like the black one, the black and white one that’s, that’s what it looks like.

Sevan Matossian (17:12):

So the difference between a bass and guitars, the guitar has six strings, but, and the base strings are thicker. Is that what it is?

Josiah Frazer (17:18):

So, yeah, there can either be flat or wound strings, but they are they’re, they’re thicker and, and obviously lower tuned. Um, and so the base, like they can be, uh, you can’t have a six string base. You can have a four or five. Uh, my dad has a five and a four string base. I think he even has a six string. I’m not sure, but, uh, he, he prefers the four string, but yeah,

Sevan Matossian (17:39):

I like that square one that was on the right there and I would paint it yellow and make it like the SpongeBob Squarepants, uh,

Josiah Frazer (17:45):

Hell yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Did

Sevan Matossian (17:47):

You see that square one?

Josiah Frazer (17:49):

I didn’t see that. Lemme see, oh my God,

Sevan Matossian (17:52):

That one’s, that one’s ready to be turned into a cartoon

Josiah Frazer (17:54):

That absolute, it even looks like a sad face kind of thing. Cuz I mean we’re, we’re facial recognition. Uh Mamal so, I mean, like I think that, yeah, it definitely looks like a face.

Sevan Matossian (18:05):


Josiah Frazer (18:07):

Tell people, see like Mary and crackers and shit, you know?

Sevan Matossian (18:10):

Yes. Marry you dress Jesus and a girl cheese when, um, my, my wife’s one of those people, not that sees Jesus, but she looks up to the clouds and sees stuff like a little kid she’s oh, look, there’s a draft. Oh look, there’s a, she, she loves that shit.

Josiah Frazer (18:23):

We all essentially do. We’re we’re facial recognition. We’re pattern seeking mamals so, I mean, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s an to who we are

Sevan Matossian (18:30):

And instead of, um, encouraging it and being supportive of her art, I just make fun of her. What are you for?

Josiah Frazer (18:37):

Is that how your I’m

Sevan Matossian (18:38):


Josiah Frazer (18:39):

Justed so long.

Sevan Matossian (18:40):

Cause I’m working on my craft, insulting people. I’m working on my craft. Oh my goodness.

Josiah Frazer (18:44):

Look, is that the secret to marriage? Just insult and demean your partner’s dreams? Is that the thing a long lasting relationship? Fuck.

Sevan Matossian (18:53):

Keep them in their cage.

Josiah Frazer (18:54):

No wonder, no wonder. I’m single dude. Like I, I can’t like, I, I, I am a no, I, I do have someone, uh, her name is Molly. She’s actually watching right now. She lives in, uh, Wisconsin actually, but, uh, she’s great. We love each other, but I mean like, no wonder I’ve been single more than I’ve not because I’ve been supportive and now I need to just demean the person that I’m with and it’ll be, yeah, you

Sevan Matossian (19:18):

Uplifting. I, I, I will. I’m going, I’m gonna say this on that note. I do wanna go back and talk about I’m working out and the guitar on your dad. I, I have a, have a question for you about why you don’t work out and it maybe a theory, but, um, I have all my friends where the men are too nice in the beginning and they don’t exhibit any. Um, and, and I use nice as, um, just, uh, I think oftentimes nice is, um, uh, the manifestation of dishonesty. Hmm. So people will be nice instead of honesty, you know what I, and, and I think honesty is really, really, really, really important. I think when people are honest with each other, then, um, the relationship can grow at what people call the speed of trust. And I think that’s where love is. Um, do I look fat in this? Um, uh, that one, you gotta be that one be dishonest. Um,

Josiah Frazer (20:09):

Yeah, there are times when lying is acceptable.

Sevan Matossian (20:14):

Um, a relationship needs an alpha, a relationship needs an alpha. That doesn’t mean that both people can’t be leading, but, um, my friends who are like the, the women, I feel like my friends who are like overly nice, and then they get two years into the relationship and they get kind of past that or a year past that. And then the woman sort of is looking for a stronger man at that point, they get past just the nice part and they want a, um, I, I, I guess it’s in, um, part of the MAMIL nature or you, you know, just the diff the different roles that maybe are programed, you know, that line just hits the top of the mountain and, you know, looks around for other dudes to who are gonna come and beat them up and shit. Yeah. But there is a, um, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (20:54):

And especially, especially when you have kids, if you don’t have someone strong in the family, who’s setting boundaries and I’m not saying it can’t be a woman cuz I was raised by a single mom. Um, yeah. But, um, and, and a mom may have to take that role, but causes, um, like disorder, like people, we want boundaries so that within those boundaries, we’re free, listen, kids, you can play anywhere here in the yard and you can’t throw rocks at the house, go you’re free. As opposed to kids are throwing rocks at the side of the house. And you’re like, oh, I’m really glad you’re exploring your arm. Your throw, no motherfucker. It’s not okay to throw rocks at the

Josiah Frazer (21:25):

House. Right. Right. You

Sevan Matossian (21:26):

Know, it’s like,

Josiah Frazer (21:28):

Yeah. So I’m, I’m supportive of pretty much any like structural dynamic in a family. But I mean, I think that you’re onto something as far as like, you know, the good cop, the, the proverbial like good cop, bad cop kind of thing. Like, you know, uh, you know, you can do this, oh no, honey, you can’t do this because of this. And it’s, you know, there, there is that yin and yang kind of, uh, consequentialism, but I mean, yeah, I mean it, but it doesn’t always work out like that, you know, and life is right. Of course life is random at its core and it’s like, you know, and, and sometimes kids don’t have that ability. I think that you’re right. I think that, that, that is, uh, something that’s good. Someone to take the, and be like, yeah, like, and well, and I think naturally like kids gravitate toward one parent or another, like for me, it’s definitely always been my mom. Um,

Sevan Matossian (22:18):

Think that’s healthy too. The kids should gravitate to the mom. Right. Like if you ask my boys, who do you love more? They go, mom. I’m like, yeah, that’s healthy. You’re good. You should.

Josiah Frazer (22:27):

I think that might be like in an evolutionary thing, but like, you know, it, it it’s, I mean, I don’t know, like I, I know a lot of people that are, you know, definitely gravitate almost inherently to their dads. And so, I mean, it should, but maybe that’s more of like a, like you were talking about earlier. I want, you know, I want you to be proud of me, that kind of thing. Um, yeah. I don’t know, you know, but I mean, I think there’s, that’s an interesting topic that I don’t know enough about.

Sevan Matossian (22:52):

Did, did you have strict boundaries growing up as a kid?

Josiah Frazer (22:54):

Yeah. Yeah. I was raised in a, a, a very it’s it’s complete opposite now, but I mean, I was raised in a very, very conservative, uh, home. My dad is a pastor actually. And uh, my whole family’s, you know, strictly religious and, um, you know, it’s, it’s interesting how it’s kind of played out now, but, um, but yeah, I mean, I was, I was definitely, I mean, quote unquote sheltered, I guess you could say, uh, growing up and just strictly Christian stuff. I went to Christian schools, uh, from preschool to senior year of high school and, um, you know, just kind of raised in that environment.

Sevan Matossian (23:30):

Um, did it feel, was it safe? Did it feel safe growing up? Did you feel in safe environment? Yeah,

Josiah Frazer (23:35):

I mean, yeah, for sure. Uh, but I mean, you know, looking back on it, it’s, uh, you know, I don’t regret anything about, you know, my childhood or anything that went down. Uh, there was a lot of shit, but I mean, like, you know, I, I, I enjoy life where I’m at now and, um, I attest that at least, uh, mostly to, to, you know, how I grew up.

Sevan Matossian (23:55):


Josiah Frazer (23:57):

You know,

Sevan Matossian (23:58):

I, I’m gonna circle back to that. When do you think that there’s when I was 34, when I was a kid, I got picked after the, um, girl, like in high school, like if like the dude, like there would be teams and they would pick all the, you know, there’d be two team captains and they would start picking the kids and all the boys would get picked and then some of the girls would get picked and then I would get picked.

Mattew Ouza (24:16):

I always stuck with seven. Yes. Yes.

Josiah Frazer (24:19):

I remember because after you got picked, I got picked. And so, yeah. So I was that kid I was with you. I was, uh, they probably thought we

Sevan Matossian (24:29):

Were girls. They probably thought we were girls.

Josiah Frazer (24:31):

Yeah. I was on the other side of the playground, you know, playing with pods or some shit, you know, remember pods. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (24:38):

Barely, barely. I was too old. I’m

Josiah Frazer (24:41):

IMSS were the shit man. Like, yes,

Sevan Matossian (24:47):

Probably. Cause I had bigger boobs than most of the girls, even, even at 11.

Josiah Frazer (24:51):

There you go.

Sevan Matossian (24:52):

Um, so, so then somewhere, somewhere along the line, I, I don’t know where it is, but, but, but at, I started working out and I started exercising and I really enjoyed it. And, and I used to ride my like around the neighborhood a lot, but when I was 34, I ran into something called CrossFit and I, and I started doing CrossFit and I realized, oh, there’s some things in, there’s a, it’s a whole variety of movements. Right. It’s not just like bench press or the stuff that I used to see, like in the gym that, that I was like weak as a fly at, there was some other shit. And I was like, wow, I can actually do stuff. Right. And, and I can do this better than the guy who has a 350 pound bench press, but I can do this better. Right. And there’s jump roping and there’s just, you know, there’s every,

Josiah Frazer (25:35):

I love jump roping, dude. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (25:37):

So, um, so, so then I found that and I stuck with that and it’s, it’s been, I, I can’t even go a day without working out. Now’s like some like, like I wanna sweat and before more than as a kid, I hated sweating. It made me feel dirty. Like I could not stand sweating. Yeah. Do you think any part of that, um, you not wanting to work out is push back against your parents or push back against society because they look at you and they expect you to do that. So maybe there’s a contrarian you, that wants to go the opposite way.

Josiah Frazer (26:05):

I don’t know. Um, that’s an interesting question. Um, I, my instinct is to say that, I mean, we like to be in comfort zones and yeah, in general, as a general rule, it’s, it’s comforting to just so getting out and doing something yep. Is getting out and doing something goes against our, our better nature, so to speak. Um, so it’s, it’s more comfortable to just sit and stay where we’re at than to challenge ourselves and put ourselves through any kind of physical, psychological, uh, physiological pain. Um, so I think that maybe it’s more of like a comfort zone thing. I dunno.

Sevan Matossian (26:44):

Yeah. I was raised, so I was raised, um, to, to, to avoid discomfort. Like literally I think those were the words my mom would even use. And in, in the methodology of CrossFit, or, you know, in, in training is, um, get comfortable with the uncomfortable and sort of the, the idea is, is to put yourself in a safe environment where you can get really uncomfortable and that then your body would, um, go through an adaptation. Right? Yeah. So the NA the, the personification narrative would be like, Hey, I’m gonna do a sprint now it’s gonna hurt so bad. I’m gonna run as fast as I can for 30 seconds. Yeah. Tomorrow I’ll be stronger for it cuz the body doesn’t wanna get caught. Yeah. Like that again. Yep. And

Josiah Frazer (27:22):

So there’s, and, and the body is an incredible thing. I mean, we, we adapt to incredible, incredible things. Yeah. And I mean, not just like, not just locally and in situationally, but I mean like environmentally too. I mean, I heard about, um, I read, uh, I like to read these weird wacky articles and like there was one, I was reading a couple months ago. I can’t remember where it was at. Um, and there was, there’s this group of people that’s literally like, they spend so much time in the water that their lungs are expanding and they’re, they’re able to breathe under water more than any people group in the entire world, like, or hold the breath underwater just because oh, okay. Okay. Okay. They’re adapting to it. And so I, I think that’s a Testament to not only like when we work out our body adapts and, and gets better and stronger to, to fit what we’re doing and that’s why you could, you always have to up, you know, your, your reps or whatever you do. But I mean, environmentally too, I think we’re just incredible creatures of adaption.

Mattew Ouza (28:16):

Yeah. I think I know what you’re talking about. They were like spear fishers that like walked across the bottom of the ocean. Yeah. It’s actually really interesting.

Josiah Frazer (28:22):

And they’re literally becoming like fish people essentially where they’re, I mean, their lungs are becoming so expansive that they can hold their breath underwater and, and not quite breathe underwater. But I mean, you know, it’s, it’s incredible

Mattew Ouza (28:35):

Much more comfortable

Sevan Matossian (28:36):

There. I heard a news story about a girl who, as a, she’s probably a, uh, a young woman now, but when I heard the story a few years ago, she was a young girl, maybe teenager. And she, she was considered to be the greatest female climber of the future. And her parents had bought her a monkey when she was a little kid and she, um, would follow the monkey everywhere. And they say, that’s what made her such a great climber. But also her wingspan was absurdly long. Wow. And they really couldn’t explain that, but physiologists and, and, uh, evolutionary, you know, I guess scientists are like, Hey, there’s something to that. Cause she had a monkey as a baby, her body adapted that she, these things. And I was like, wow. In one generation, something like that could happen.

Josiah Frazer (29:16):

Well, and that’s the thing is that like people make a distinct, it’s a distinction between microevolution and macroevolution, and there’s no distinction. It’s just the amount of time. Like we’re human beings that are, are really only used to consciously like decades, maybe a century, we can fathom like a millennium, but like, it, it it’s, you know, I mean, there are adaption adaptations that are made. I mean, we’re, it’s not like evolution just stopped with us. Like, oh, we’re it, it we’re the pinnacle. It’s like, no, we’re still, you know, human beings a hundred thousand years from now homo sapians a hundred thousand years from now are gonna look pretty distinctly different than we will, you know? And so it’s yeah, it’s crazy.

Sevan Matossian (29:54):

You can just go to Ireland and see how people look different when they’re on an island

Josiah Frazer (29:57):

I’ve been to Ireland. Yeah. Or Iceland

Sevan Matossian (29:58):

Or Iceland I’ve been to.

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