#358 – Quarterfinals Leaderboard is A MESS ft. Brian Friend

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Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Hey, I’m more blurry.

Sevan Matossian (00:06):

Still blurry.

Sevan Matossian (00:08):

Get UN blurry, Brian. Good morning.

Brian Friend (00:10):

Good morning.

Sevan Matossian (00:13):

There we go.

Sevan Matossian (00:14):

There we go, guys. I wanna say something real quick before we dig into the fun part of the show. I’ll um,

Sevan Matossian (00:22):

You could, you could, uh, go to YouTube and see that we have, uh, 12,000, um, subscribers. And you could see that a, uh, lot of people in the, I, I can’t think of anyone in the ecosystem who actually has less subscribers than us. I think everyone almost has double, triple, quadruple there’s people like Craig Richie who have like 10 times as much as us. No, 30 times 30. I think he’s got like 300,000 subscribers talking to elite fitness guys got 30,000 subscribers. Um, someone like Kalifa, you know, even though he is not necessarily in the podcast base 55,000 subscribers, Josh bridges up over a hundred thousand.

Brian Friend (01:04):

I’d be curious to know Vener he started is this week.

Sevan Matossian (01:07):

Oh yeah. Let’s go look. Let’s look. Oh yeah, you don’t do that. I do that. I’m putting my socks on. You have to know this And the, and everyone knows this too. Who’s paying attention. We have no peer and number of views. Don’t get confused by the YouTube numbers. And they know it, the views on iTunes and on Spotify, on the podcast platforms where like a hundred times over our next closest competitor, they’re massive. I’ve posted them before you can go through and find it. And that was six months ago. You can only imagine what they are now. My point is this, Our sponsors, tho all of those people have big sponsors and are making a fucking killing. Not all lot. We are not. And why are we not? Well, you can guess you can, you can guess why sponsors cuz they’re pussies, they’re woke fake fucking pussies. And so the sponsors that we do have spon uh, support them. They’re coolest shit. They’re doing it because they’re, they’re, they’re not afraid of the truth. What is the truth? Just in, in the essence, the truth for starting is just not being confused of what are your thoughts? And what’s in reality,

Sevan Matossian (02:14):

The fact that you, you have a dog at your house, that’s reality. The fact that you think your dog is pretty, that’s not truth. Hey, will, what’s up you on this show? Okay. Will, did you see? Oh, you can’t see it anyway. I’m really thankful to our sponsors, barbell jobs.com, the barbell brush, Rob Orlando, uh, paper street, coffee, and, uh, California hormones. And in the past it’s been, uh, uh, the real buff dude,

Brian Friend (02:37):

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Sevan Matossian (02:42):

We don’t even, Brian would never say that by the way, unless he really meant it. Like, I’m not like, Hey, make sure you plug the, uh, make plug the, uh,

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Sevan Matossian (02:58):

Uh, if you guys have not read this article that Brian wrote for the morning, morning, chalk up, you should go. If you don’t have a lot of time to listen to Brian and I fool around this morning, that’s the article. Everything is there. It is fucking good. I read it. And it was like a crash course on what we’re about to talk about. Also go over and check out. Uh, Andrew Hiller’s, uh, most recent, um, video. I normally don’t have patience for that shit at all, but man, he really, he really breaks it down. And, and neither of these pieces have any negativity. I felt no anger towards the games. After reading this, I felt no anger towards the games after watching Andrew, Andrew Hiller’s piece. These are just videos that are, these are just pieces that are just kind of showing you what’s going on. I felt no venom, no venom towards the a host. They actually felt like help. I wanna just start with, I’m gonna sort of start at the, at the, at the orgasm and then we’ll work our way back to the foreplay. Brian, is there anyone who, who you think because of the scoring did not make it to semifinals?

Brian Friend (03:58):

It’s funny that you use that description. I had an epic ma

Sevan Matossian (04:02):

Dis orgasm last

Brian Friend (04:03):

Night. No, that you wanna start with the, or I had an epic disc golf, uh, match with my brother and I was telling a friend about it and he goes, I go, we had this incredible match. It was great. He goes, who won? I’m like what? You don’t wanna hear the story. You wanna know who won before all the drama along the way. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yes. I think that the answer to that question is yet.

Sevan Matossian (04:22):

Wow. And so that can’t be right.

Brian Friend (04:25):

It is. I mean, as of now, that is the case.

Sevan Matossian (04:29):

Okay. Um, ex explain to us, um, Explain to us, explain to us what happened. Basically. There is a, there is this event, how many people do we know how many people were involved in the quarter finals, men, men, let’s just say,

Brian Friend (04:45):

I think, I mean,

Sevan Matossian (04:46):

Roughly,

Brian Friend (04:48):

I think about 15,000 people ended up participating in quarter finals around the world,

Sevan Matossian (04:55):

Men and women, or just men, men, and women. Okay. So you just to give you guys an idea of how this event works, this event, most of you already know there’s 15,000 participants in it. It’s on the line. The 15,000 participants are separated by region. Uh, how many regions?

Brian Friend (05:09):

5, 6, 6.

Sevan Matossian (05:11):

Um, and, and based on just the way the planet’s laid out, you know, like north America, south America, shit like that,

Brian Friend (05:15):

There was about 7,300 men total who participated, continue, I’m working on the women.

Sevan Matossian (05:23):

And, and then, so did they do this online competition and it’s five events and the

Brian Friend (05:30):

5,300 women.

Sevan Matossian (05:31):

Great. So very close to what you were saying. Okay. So 12,600 men and women combined, uh, all over the planet, they enter this event, it’s called the quarter finals and the top people from this event, from each region, move on to what is called the semi-finals. And then from their, or they move on to the CrossFit games. There was an event this year event, number three, that for a variety of reasons, the athletes did the events wrong. Let’s stick primarily to that. The athletes did the events wrong that the scoring was messed up. And so that scoring has to be validated by the judging body. And that judging body is CrossFit HQ. What happens is that if you get, if, if you’re, let’s say you took 10th place legitimately, but there’s a hundred people who got a faster time from you. That’s not legitimate. It would be pushed you down a hundred places, just common sense.

Sevan Matossian (06:20):

Right? And so if you’re supposed to be in 10th and a hundred people got in between, uh, ninth and 10th because of their scores were higher than yours, but they were illegitimate scores. It would push you down to a hundred and 10th and you might not move to the second round. And this is something that Brian, uh, has spotted. Um, and so Brian, how did you, do you spot something like this? What’s the first thing that happens when you spot something like this, and this is event will good morning. Will you can bring up, um, sorry, Brian, you can bring up whatever you want. Good morning will. Nice. Happy, good morning.

Brian Friend (06:48):

Thank you. Ah, will. Nice to see you. Um, this happens in every event of every online competition that I’ve ever seen in CrossFit, is it, at some point we, uh, the leaderboard is populated. There’s a score at near the top or multiple scores near the top that look out of place. And that can happen for a lot of different reasons. I remember early on when I was doing CrossFit opening in 2014 and 15, that people would do it as a joke. They’d post a picture of the, or video of themselves in a kilt doing whatever in five minutes on a workout where the next bed times, 14 minutes. And that would last for a couple hours. People would see it screenshot it, blah, blah, blah, crossover remove it. There’s other times this year we’ve seen where, you know, people are doing it for political movement to make a statement, put a score up there and put their flag from Estonia or Ukraine or whatever, and say, Hey, check out this video about what’s going on in my part of the world.

Brian Friend (07:37):

We want you guys to bring it. So they’re using it to bring attention to platform. There’s other times that the score is populated and it’s, uh, someone who thinks that they’ve done the workout correctly, not realizing that they didn’t do it correctly. And that’s work. CrossFits main responsibility is to come in and see that video and make the appropriate adjustments based on the rules that they’ve outlined in the rule book and CA the case of the rule book right now, we have basically four are options. When they see a video, they can approve the video. They can give a minor penalty, a major penalty, or they can invalidate the video.

Sevan Matossian (08:06):

Oh, they can do that.

Brian Friend (08:07):

Those are the, I think those are the four options outlined in the rule book. Yeah. And it seems like there maybe should be some there and maybe, and actually are some, um, like love within the minor and especially major penalties because we saw sometimes there’s major penalties assessed for one minute, two minutes, three minutes on the same workout.

Sevan Matossian (08:30):

Sorry, Brian. I, I think I misunderstood something. You’re saying the games can assess those penalties. Not viewers. They don’t ask the viewers games. Okay. So if I’m watching something and I see it, not a place for me to push a button and send an alert to HQ, like, Hey, something’s wrong here?

Brian Friend (08:46):

No, but I think that there used to be a platform where people could do that. Okay. They could see videos. And if people flagged the video enough people flagged the video, then crossovers, like that’s a high percentage of flags on that video. Let’s check that video out. And I think that that’s one of the things Hiller’s been talking about, bringing back, why not have that? If this is a task that’s too big for you to do on your own with your team, then use the community that you have at your disposal and let them alert you of things that look unusual.

Sevan Matossian (09:14):

Right? So that’s where we’re at. So you saw those things.

Brian Friend (09:20):

So you asked me, how could I notice these? So, you know, really the, you know, what we can do right now. I, you know, we should just pull up the leaderboard, cuz it still is very unusual at the top of the leaderboard for this workout. And you can choose either men or women and we can sort by the worldwide rankings probably for, we can just sort by world for women. And here we can see at the top first, this is really good. Actually at the top of this leaderboard, we see Michaela, Norman McKayla. Norman’s a well known athlete in this space. She’s very good at some things, she has some obviously clear weaknesses relative to her strengths and other things. She won this workout worldwide, according to this, uh, and that’s easy to believe. She’s very tall. She’s gonna all balls. She’s good at rope climbs.

Brian Friend (09:58):

She’s good at running. This is a workout. I would think she would degrade in. She’s not very strong. So 1070 third on the lifting worldwide does not surprise me. She’s not very good at ring muscle. So 583rd in the world in workout two, not surprising, even though it looks a little unusual that she would be first when she could be that relatively bad on other workouts. She’s a very specific athlete that we know of. Who’s actually just has these incredible strengths. She’s beaten Sam bris in running through desert workouts in Dubai. She’s regularly doing well on longer time. Domain workouts, number two, Gabby Macao. We don’t need to talk about number three talar. We don’t need to talk about we’d expect them to be good at, on what’s everything. And the ranking show that number four is the first person we’ve see here where I would say, how can this possibly be her score? Uh, she only did two of the workouts and one of the workouts she did was with the strength. One where she got the 2700th and then the only other workout she did, she got fourth year. So at the very least, if I’m working for the cross at games team, I’m gonna say Alicia, I need to see her video for workout three. If

Sevan Matossian (10:57):

I see this, what did you say? The other one she got what place? I don’t see the other one. She did

Brian Friend (11:01):

It’s right there. 2728th and workout

Sevan Matossian (11:04):

Four. Oh, okay. Including number three. She only did two. Right? Okay. My bad. Okay. Now

Brian Friend (11:09):

I don’t know what the ruling is for athletes that only do two of the five workouts, but apparently there, there, those workouts are allowed to factor in to the leader board here. And so in case Alicia Christie RA’s video should definitely be reviewed. Um, and what I understand about how that review system works is it 100% definitely should have would’ve been reviewed anyway, because I believe that they review all the videos of the qualifying positions. Like if there’s,

Brian Friend (11:39):

I’m not a hundred, hundred percent sure of this, but if there’s 60 spots that qualify in Europe, I think they would review at least the top 60 on each workout. Right. Um, at least I would hope that, you know, that would be like a minimum that they would do. So she’s, you know, we can look there and see Tia’s not in Europe, but McKayla and Gabby are. So she would still also be third in Europe. So this video should have been reviewed. Now what it says in the article is what, uh, Adrian Bosman, uh, reported to morning Chalkup is that they, a lot of these athletes who had really good scores on this workout probably did the workout incorrectly may not have expected to have a top score on this workout. So CrossFit HQ or whatever review committee would reach out to them and give ’em a couple extra days to provide the video. And if they couldn’t provide the video, then this quote up there said, uh,

Sevan Matossian (12:27):

Was unable to verify via video will have adjustments made before the leaderboard is final that’s from the article that you wrote.

Brian Friend (12:32):

Correct. Okay. Now, uh,

Sevan Matossian (12:34):

Can I fall into the weeds here for a second? Sure. And if you wanna skip over this, we can come back to it. I won’t forget. How can they give leeway to give people time, to turn in a video, but they wouldn’t give a 12 minute leeway to Anika Greer who contacted them at 12, 12:00 PM, 12 minutes afterwards, how can they give two days to turn in a video to validate a score, but they can’t give this young lady 12 minutes or something that she, she claims she already did.

Brian Friend (13:01):

Obviously it doesn’t sound very good when you say it that way, but I think that their response would be, we clearly communicated that there would be no grace for submissions that were late. We didn’t clearly communicate one way or the other, how fair enough handle a situation

Sevan Matossian (13:14):

Like that. Cut. ’em slack for that. Okay. So you don’t have to turn in a video. Oh,

Brian Friend (13:19):

Correct. But if they ask for it and you can’t provide it,

Sevan Matossian (13:24):

Okay, that’s fair. I’m cool with that.

Brian Friend (13:26):

Then they can, then they will. Then what he says is they will have adjustments made before the leaderboard is final. Now that

Sevan Matossian (13:32):

I’ll give and more than a pass on that, I’ll give ’em an a on that. I’m cool with that. That’s fine.

Brian Friend (13:36):

Now that that communication from him came on Friday morning before the, the leader board was finalized that evening because I had already, um, aggregated a list of nearly 200 names out of the top 500 men and women in Europe and north America, um, that I thought were probably worth reviewing.

Sevan Matossian (13:58):

And of the, what of those 200, what, what was the lowest placing of those in the worldwide leaderboard or, or not even more important in their region, in their region? What was their lowest ranking in their region? Do you know?

Brian Friend (14:11):

Yeah. So the, so I looked at the top 150 men and women for north America on this work and the top 100 men and women from Europe on this workout, because there’s about two thirds of the number of participants in Europe compared to north America, which is a total of 500 and of those 500, I thought that 142 were almost definitely inaccurate scores and that another 44 could possibly also be, I was less confident of, of those. And I really was only, only making that assessment based on their other scores and, and, or, uh, name recognition of which I know quite a few people who compete in this sport. Um,

Sevan Matossian (14:50):

So, and so that means that every single one of those scores, except for who, if someone claimed they took first place would affect everyone else’s placement when the scores were adjusted.

Brian Friend (15:00):

So I think this is the thing that, that gets confusing for people is yeah,

Sevan Matossian (15:04):

It is confusing. I agree.

Brian Friend (15:05):

You say like, well, Alicia, Christie, Rodways in third place in Europe. If you take her score out, I, everyone behind her is gonna move up a point and it’s not gonna affect the overall points. That’s true. It

Sevan Matossian (15:16):

Doesn’t, it affects the person on the bottom. It brings them into the fold

Brian Friend (15:19):

Because she’s in third, it affects every single person other than Gabby and McKayla Norman.

Sevan Matossian (15:24):

Right.

Brian Friend (15:25):

So everyone will just move up one spot. So what her score does is it inflates all the scores. So all the scores are high,

Sevan Matossian (15:31):

Which is bad. That’s not what you want.

Brian Friend (15:33):

No, but if, uh, no,

Sevan Matossian (15:36):

If

Brian Friend (15:36):

You’re an athlete, but, but her score is bad as it appears to be on the leaderboard relative to other performances, um, is not really the problem. If that score stays there, then everyone scores just inflated by one. And it doesn’t have that much of an effect on the cut line. If you want us to, what’s gonna happen at the cut line, which is really why we’re talking about this because it’s, uh, there have been many athletes around the world who have reported that they are sitting outside the cut line when they feel they could probably, or should probably be inside the cut line because of the high number of inaccurate scores in this workout. So for, uh, in this to, to really do this, what you have to do is you have to go to the overall ranking, buy continent, and then scroll down to where the cut line is.

Brian Friend (16:20):

So, you know, we can stay with the European women. If you want. You can find examples like this for every, uh, every region. But if you go down here, 60th is the cut line. And we see the women in 60th placed 160 seventh on this workout behind her woman place 1 58 61, 2 21. So now I’d start to a look at this 2 21. Her name’s Karina Elli, or ISEL from Germany. And she had scores on other workouts of 1 23, 1 13, 19 and 53rd. So this is her worst score on this workout, uh, uh, of the five scores comes on this workout. And you look at the people that are ahead of her Valentina, uh, was 61st on that workout. So there’s a huge opportunity for anyone who has ranked 62nd to 220th to be inflating Catrina score on this workout and not influencing his Valentina score. So every person between 62 and two 20, who may have done this inaccurately is, is hurting Katarina relative to Valentina.

Sevan Matossian (17:19):

Gotcha. Gotcha.

Brian Friend (17:21):

The window’s more narrow for AMCO cuz she was 1 58. So you have to, you’d have to look at videos. 1 59 through two 20 to see who’s affecting the gap there it’s only a 10 point gap. It’s only a 12 point gap to 60th. So if there happened to be 12 of invalid scores between numbers, 1 68 and two 20 on this workout, Karina would jump all three of those athletes and move into the last cup qualifying spot. Now that’s a ton to ask for, for CrossFit to be reviewing videos. Number 1 68 through through two 20 on this leaderboard, but we’re not asking ’em to review every video. What we’re asking ’em for is to look at the ones that seem to be, uh, out of place. And if they’re out of place, you don’t have to watch the whole video, even what we saw and what Andrew had,

Sevan Matossian (18:05):

Someone would have to care. I don’t mean that in a mean way. I don’t, I do. I know that comes across bad, but someone would have to care. We’ve all seen, like you’ve been outside, let’s say a Starbucks and an employee shows up and there’s cups on the ground and they don’t pick them up as they come in. Now, if that’s your house, you do that every time. Right. That’s how, you know, you’re an adult. Like if I come home and there’s some garbage in front of my house, I pick it up and throw it away. Starbucks, someone would have, have to care.

Brian Friend (18:31):

Well, I think what we’ve seen

Sevan Matossian (18:33):

And have the time, I, I know someone like Adrian Bosan cares a lot, but does he have the time? Does he have the time him per I mean him personally to do that, do they have the resources do this?

Brian Friend (18:44):

Yeah. Well that’s, that’s the question. And that’s the thing that I, um, uh, have been coming back to a lot, this in, as I’ve been thinking about it is there needs to be a solution that provides them with the resources so that they can do something like this. Now stepping either even further back, what would be much better is if, um, you know, we didn’t have a problem like this. And one of the reasons why, you know, and we’ve talked about this on the show before problems like this happen is because they’re constantly changing the rules, introducing new things. There’s not a rule book that explains all the movements prior to the season, starting, et cetera, et cetera. And while that concept of unknown and unknowable is fun to talk about sometimes in certain formats, especially it creates problems. So this is a movement we’ve never seen before. That’s being communicated to global population that speaks hundreds of different languages and, and are in tons of different, uh, situations because of, um, you know, this just

Sevan Matossian (19:42):

Became biblical. This just became biblical. I like it.

Brian Friend (19:46):

Well, whatever, it’s just the

Sevan Matossian (19:47):

Tower of B story.

Brian Friend (19:49):

Well, and a lot of people are saying, you know, this is on the athletes and the judges that should have been able to read this. Yes. For sure. That should be the responsibility. Um,

Sevan Matossian (19:59):

Yeah, but it maybe, maybe to do the workout correctly is on the athletes. I’m not gonna deny that, but once the scores are in it’s it’s I mean,

Brian Friend (20:06):

Yeah. And, and

Sevan Matossian (20:07):

The cross is collecting the money. They need to Val, they need to be able to validate or invalidate the scores

Brian Friend (20:12):

Completely agree,

Sevan Matossian (20:13):

Or else it’s not a competition. We’re just talking about defining what a competition is, the definition of a competition.

Brian Friend (20:20):

Right.

Sevan Matossian (20:22):

And, and I get, I guess there’s a, there’s a, there’s a presumption there that it’s, um, fair. Hey, something weird here that someone is saying, and I, and I really don’t want to beat a dead horse, but I just can’t resist it’s this, um, Alyssa Larson says this. Um, so if Anika, would’ve put in a score of one minute with no video for the last wa that would’ve been better than missing the deadline. So you could literally sign up for the quarter finals and just insert all your scores wrong just to hold your place. You know what I mean?

Brian Friend (20:50):

Well, yeah. And I think that, you know, a lot of people’s frustration with this is stemming from other like problems that have already happened this year, whether it’s the case of Monica agree. And those athletes in Europe and people are frustrated with that, the early release of the workouts, the unclear burpy standard that has a, this and a verbal that. And it’s like, once you have 1, 2, 3, 4 mistakes, each one of those becomes amplified more and more, and then you start comparing them to each other. And it’s just not a very clean administration of the season so far on CrossFits end.

Sevan Matossian (21:24):

Yeah. A cascade. Uh, yeah. It would be cool to let people who took the judges’ course be able to volunteer, to look at videos on their own time.

Brian Friend (21:32):

Yeah. A lot, a lot of people had said that, um, for, for this, uh, quarter final workout, you had to have a judge that would completed a judges’ course validate your video. It would also be nice if those judges had read the standards and communicated athletes down and back as one. So, you know, you could look at that both ways.

Sevan Matossian (21:50):

Wow. I didn’t even think about that. I wonder how bad those judges feel.

Brian Friend (21:58):

Yeah. And I mean, look, it’s, uh, seeming, it seems to be that a lot, like a lot of, a lot of judges and athlete combinations made this mistake. And that’s why I would, you know, I would, you know, when I’m the rules for the quarter finals, I would be sitting there as the competition committee saying, okay, we’re introducing the shuttle run. Are we confident that this is gonna be executed? Well, okay, we’re in, we’re gonna have pistols in this workout. Are we confident that we can judge a pistol standard? Well, or whatever the movements are like that needs to be part of the conversation because it’s not the semi-finals and it’s not the games it’s not happening live. And it’s a huge population, global people that are doing this workout, these workouts,

Sevan Matossian (22:35):

Um, will, could you pull up the, the, the morning chalk article that Brian wrote, um, for those of you at home, go ahead and, and we can judge this now together. One rept this, I think this is a direct quote from the, the rule book. Um, and this isn’t the morning chalk up article one rept to of the shuttle run equals down the length of the competition floor and back, So that lets you know, it, it has to be, so then you have to do the math, right? 25 feet, each direction. The shuttle run is 50 foot shuttle run and official scorecard reads one repetition of the shuttle run equals down the length competition for black. Do we have a, um, do we have a, uh, picture or an image? Is there something online that shows the scorecard?

Brian Friend (23:24):

Yeah. And that, I mean that line’s taken directly from it.

Sevan Matossian (23:27):

Yeah. That’s crazy. So, um, further on this, this, this gets a little unsettling. This is the unsettling part of the article. Um, um, did you speak or morning chalk spoke to an athlete who says I did the workout wrong. You need to invalidate my score. That’s in quotes. They communicated that to who? To, to, to their judge in the gym or to cross through

Brian Friend (23:49):

The yes to their judge in the gym.

Sevan Matossian (23:51):

Okay.

Brian Friend (23:52):

And the judge this was at, so he, the, you remember the leader board stays hidden until the submission deadline closes. So after the window closes, there’s a certain amount of time that asses before cross it populates it. When the leaderboard populates it, everyone who did the workout goes some checks and see how they did this guy went and checked how they did on the workout. And he’s like, oh man, I did really well on that workout. That seems wrong. Then he read the rule book and he saw, I actually only did half the shuttle runs every time he’s texted his judge, I did that wrong. You need to invalidate my score because you saw what my score scores way higher than it should be. And it’s affecting the leaderboard. And he said, I tried, just tried to go on there. There’s nowhere for me to invalidate it.

Brian Friend (24:35):

Cuz it’s after the fact. So it’s now in CrossFit’s hands and his response was well, they’ll watch it because he did have a video. And they’ll be like, if this guy, of course, you know, and he said, I didn’t wanna do this. I wouldn’t do this purpose. So he was, um, trying to change it after the fact and could not, was relying on CrossFit to check those scores and, and they did not, he was assuming, they’d ask him for his video, which he had Bosman communicated to us that they would ask those athletes for those videos. They did not ask him for this video is what he’s told me.

Sevan Matossian (25:03):

Is he a top guy? Is he in the top 20?

Brian Friend (25:06):

Yeah. Top 20 in north America for men. Oh shit.

Sevan Matossian (25:08):

Oh

Brian Friend (25:08):

Shit. So clearly is one of the scores that I would’ve assumed that Bosman and the team had been asking for videos for based on the communication that we got from him. And yet he told me that they did not ask him for his score or for his video. And his score remains they’re inaccurate, which he does not want it to be.

Sevan Matossian (25:26):

Uh I’ve I’ve never, even, I’ve never heard of that. Is, is that common sense that there would be a place where you could go back on and change your score?

Brian Friend (25:34):

I think after the submission deadline, uh, window closes no way. No, you still

Sevan Matossian (25:39):

Get with go, okay, change your score. So, right. So that’s not, and, and that, and his judge went into try to change the score after the deadline. Okay. So that not on HQ at all. Um, did anyone from his camp actually contact HQ and say, Hey, would this guy, this score’s wrong?

Brian Friend (25:56):

He’s uh, he told me he attempted to, and it, and the email never sent, which you know, of course doesn’t sound that.

Sevan Matossian (26:02):

Okay. So I’m gonna say, no, he didn’t. I’m gonna say no, he didn’t. He

Brian Friend (26:04):

Did not. He didn not how, but you know, I still say that like his score is, uh, good enough that it definitely should have been requested a video per Bozeman’s quote in the article. And uh, I asked him last night and he said they never asked me for my video.

Sevan Matossian (26:21):

What do you, what do you think about, did you watch Andrew Hiller’s videos?

Brian Friend (26:25):

Yeah. I’ve been talking to Andrew throughout the weekend. And so, and working on him with some stuff and stuff.

Sevan Matossian (26:31):

What is he doing? So I know, I know you’re in the space you work for the morning, chalk up. You’ve been on here. You’ve been on all the podcasts you’ve been around since I don’t know how long you’ve been around now. Seems like you’re just part of the scene. Where did this guy come from?

Brian Friend (26:47):

When did he he’s been around a long time too.

Sevan Matossian (26:49):

How come? I just heard about him like three months ago?

Brian Friend (26:52):

Well, cuz he was doing different stuff. I mean he was focusing on competing as an athlete in the sport for a long time and he did make it to semifinals last year and he’s

Sevan Matossian (27:00):

He did. Did you know of him then? Was he good?

Brian Friend (27:03):

Yeah. Yeah. I know of him by name. He’s also done some pretty incredible like feats of strength. I think he did like a 2 25 grace or a 35 unbroken ring muscles. Like he has some pretty good. Um, I think he’s, he’s in very good shape now he’s coaching more than training and he is got some extra time cuz he’s not training as often. And he’s uh, passionate about pulling the standards. So he started putting some of the stuff together. I think that people who are rubbed

Sevan Matossian (27:28):

It’s more than he is passionate about the standards. I mean, what he’s doing takes crazy work. I mean he he’s always like expressing some sort of

Brian Friend (27:35):

YouTube spending, uh, you know, hours and hours and hours a day working on this stuff. Um, I think

Sevan Matossian (27:42):

He, that video he made last night, that’s, it’s a, maybe a 10 hour video. That’s not a joke getting all those maybe more ISS

Brian Friend (27:49):

That better. He’s gotten better. He’s gotten better. He’s had it used to take him on a, like an average of six hours and it gets down to like two or three now sometimes. But he’s

Sevan Matossian (27:56):

Getting, there’s no way that last video though, he made in two hours, I’m telling you, cuz the video alone is 15 minutes long and you know, you

Brian Friend (28:02):

Should see the setup he has. It’s like a, an underground behind a waterfall I think.

Sevan Matossian (28:11):

Oh, so, so he’s so we, we have two things colliding with him. We have a guy who, um, I, I did, I scanned, uh, I, we are having Andrew Hiller on the show. I scheduled him, uh, July 18th, 2020, look at the, uh, calendar. I scheduled him up. Um, so we have a guy who’s like who’s popped outta nowhere who has some creative, uh, some massive amount of creative energy that he’s using to, um, to look at the scoring.

Brian Friend (28:41):

Oh and he’s and you know, a good idea. He’s like, Hey, if you guys see anything, let me know and I’ll report on it.

Sevan Matossian (28:48):

How come just the two of you? Is there anyone else doing this?

Brian Friend (28:52):

Uh, yeah, there are some other people that have sent me some stuff that they’re working on, uh, around the world. Um, one guy I know in the UK actually like rescored the entire continent of, uh, or the, you know, relevant population of athletes for this workout and saw how much different it would be. He said it’s kind of crude because he hasn’t seen any of the videos. But based on what it looks like is inaccurate scores. He made some adjustments and adjustments and he said, it actually changed the top 60 quite dramatically.

Sevan Matossian (29:19):

Can’t you do that really easily. Brian, like you personally, can’t someone by easily. I mean I Don

Brian Friend (29:27):

Well there’s some things that could be, yeah. I don’t think it would take that much time. So the two things are

Sevan Matossian (29:31):

Like, how come we don’t have a new leaderboard to show everyone today? Why can’t we just be like, Hey, these people are out and these people are in like, can you do that? Well, can you point to someone right now on the board, if we’ll pulls it up and be like, you’re out,

Brian Friend (29:42):

I can point to someone on the board and say, this video should be the score on this video should be adjusted.

Sevan Matossian (29:48):

Can, can you pull up the north American leaderboard? Can you show what what’s the most atrocious I’m I’m sorry for whoever gets named for this. This has nothing to do with you, by the way. Can you pull up the most atrocious, atrocious? Isn’t the right word. Let me go to man.

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