#343 – Bill Grundler & Chase Ingraham – with Joseph Somakian & Gabriela Migała

Bill Grundler (00:00):

Stuff. I don’t want you pulling your, your liver king out in front of everybody like that.

Sevan Matossian (00:05):

Bam we’re

Chase Ingraham (00:05):

Live. You said eat organ meat. So

Bill Grundler (00:08):

Look at, I’m gonna pull my organ liver right out, right here on camera

Chase Ingraham (00:12):

Testicles count.

Sevan Matossian (00:13):

Okay. So I have my three favorite topics lined up for this fabulous show today. Um, rape racism, abortion, uh, vaccines and affiliates.

Chase Ingraham (00:23):

Right? See you guys later. Tell, uh,

Mattew Ouza (00:27):

Damage, just drop off everywhere. So if I check your mic too, I think you might be rolling through the computer double check

Sevan Matossian (00:34):

This morning.

Mattew Ouza (00:35):

You didn’t sound as booming and authoritative as you normally do. I like

Chase Ingraham (00:39):

I was I’m so excited. Button up. Cholo. Lo you got going on.

Sevan Matossian (00:43):

Thank you. I, I, I’ve never done this. Um, the buttoned up to the top. So I was just like, right. You know what? I’m gonna give this shit a fucking world. It’s my fucking very tiger

Chase Ingraham (00:51):

Woods as

Sevan Matossian (00:52):

World. Whatever I want.

Bill Grundler (00:53):

There we go. We got that. And your sweat bands on. So you’re all good to go. Just in case it gets hot in there. So wipe, wipe the brow, wipe the brow. You keep

Chase Ingraham (01:01):

Some warm, right? What,

Bill Grundler (01:02):

What are you putting shoes on now?

Sevan Matossian (01:05):

Socks. Wait, I hear a hum. I hear a hum.

Chase Ingraham (01:10):

I don’t hear a hum.

Sevan Matossian (01:12):

I hear a hum.

Bill Grundler (01:13):

I don’t

Sevan Matossian (01:13):

Hear a, oh, I have to. It’s always weird. When your friends call you during the, um,

Chase Ingraham (01:19):


Sevan Matossian (01:19):

You’re like, shouldn’t you be watching? Oh man. I don’t know if I should answer this. You guys hear a hum. I hear a hum. What is that? How can I hear that? I’m gonna mute Matt. Nope. Still there mute chase. Oh,

Chase Ingraham (01:37):


Sevan Matossian (01:37):

I found it.

Chase Ingraham (01:39):

Is it me?

Sevan Matossian (01:40):

I found it. Yeah.

Chase Ingraham (01:42):

How did you

Sevan Matossian (01:43):

Hear, you know what it is? Because you’re probably like in a garage somewhere with some like fucking weird shit plugged in, like in wrong plugs and shit. And like, no,

Chase Ingraham (01:51):

Let me see.

Chase Ingraham (01:54):

See, I can do

Bill Grundler (01:57):

Is your phone is your phone by? I know sometimes the phone will like tweak it out.

Chase Ingraham (02:01):

Is your vibrator doing anything?

Bill Grundler (02:03):


Sevan Matossian (02:03):

Loud. Oh, now it’s good.

Bill Grundler (02:06):

The vibrator on. Yeah.

Chase Ingraham (02:07):

Yeah. He

Mattew Ouza (02:10):

What’s the turbo.

Chase Ingraham (02:11):

I moved my phone away from the computer

Bill Grundler (02:15):

And it got louder.

Sevan Matossian (02:17):

Yeah. That’s

Bill Grundler (02:18):

That’s really no,

Sevan Matossian (02:19):

Some guy text me this morning and he said, Hey, are you gonna do his show on quarter finals? And I go, I don’t know shit about quarter finals. And he goes, well, they start this weekend. Is that true?

Bill Grundler (02:27):


Sevan Matossian (02:28):

And, and, um, can we talk about that? I know it’s kinda a little bit boring, but um, no,

Bill Grundler (02:33):

That’s what we talk about. We’re all good with that.

Sevan Matossian (02:36):

All right. How many workouts is it? It’s it’s five.

Bill Grundler (02:39):

Yeah, they’re showing five, five. They have five floor, uh, uh, floor diagrams out. Were

Sevan Matossian (02:45):

Those leaked on accident? Again?

Bill Grundler (02:47):

They put ’em out early to kind of make sure

Chase Ingraham (02:48):

They sent ’em in an email and then they released him. So they’ve been out.

Sevan Matossian (02:53):

Okay. But, but there were rumors that it was leaked, but it wasn’t leaked.

Chase Ingraham (02:57):


Bill Grundler (02:58):

Just, nah, I don’t think so internet.

Mattew Ouza (03:00):

No, that was just me starting a rumor with you. Sat on.

Bill Grundler (03:03):

Oh, thank

Chase Ingraham (03:04):

You. Someone had commented on that when they posted the floor plans and they put him out in an email Monday at two, when they gave, sent out the official invites via email, but they didn’t post him yet. They just put him in the email.

Sevan Matossian (03:16):

Hey, what do you guys think about this guy? Who he was like, kind of he’s come on the string string string scene scene. He’s come on the scene. Hard. Um, people started telling me I should have him on the show, but I kind of didn’t wanna have him on the show. Cuz I, the first video I saw that he did was just about steroid use and it, and I’m just so not interested in talking about steroid use, uh, on the athletes part. Um, and I posted he, but he got a CEO shirt. So like I have this oh, Hiller. What’s that? Guy’s name? Hill fit. Andrew, Andrew, Andrew Hill. What do you guys think about him? What he’s doing bursting up on the scene, making all these videos. Everyone’s like you guys look, I’m almost offended. Everyone’s like, oh he is just like you, you guys are to get along. Great. But he’s so Fu he’s really aggressive. Do you guys watch any of his stuff?

Bill Grundler (04:04):

I haven’t seen any of his stuff now.

Sevan Matossian (04:05):

No. Oh, okay. I’ll send you, does he

Chase Ingraham (04:06):

Talk about athletes doing steroids?

Sevan Matossian (04:10):

Uh, I think the first video anyone ever sent me of his was he was basically talking about steroids and I just felt like, oh fuck, is this just click bait? I, there was a video going around. Um, it had like a million views. It’s probably, I don’t know, like five or six or 10 years old. And I watched it and it’s all about it’s this guy interviewing this guy. Who’s supposedly the expert on steroids in the CrossFit community. Okay. And at the very end I realized that the entire thing is a sales pitch to contact this guy to buy steroids. Because basically he’s saying the whole theme of the one. That’s not what this Andrew Hiller guy is doing by the way. I don’t wanna conf confuse it too. But this guy’s basically saying that every CrossFit games athlete is on steroids. He knows it for a fact. And that you have no chance of getting at, um, to pass regionals unless you get on steroids. And then, and then at the end he’s like, and so if you want them, you know, I’m the guy and I’m like what?

Chase Ingraham (05:01):

It’s like the person kinda

Sevan Matossian (05:02):


Chase Ingraham (05:02):

Out a success. And then at the very end of a 50 minute video, he pitches his like e-book

Bill Grundler (05:07):

Right. Totally, totally. So,

Chase Ingraham (05:11):

Uh, no, there’s probably a reason I’ve never heard of him because that sounds stupid.

Bill Grundler (05:15):

And the only people that would like really pay attention to that would be the ones that are like, I gotta, I gotta get the steroids. Cause that’s the only way I’m gonna get you anything I gotta be. That is why.

Sevan Matossian (05:25):

Cause a part of me wants to do steroids so fucking bad. Here’s

Bill Grundler (05:28):

Part of me. Yeah. I wanna, I wanna see the new OUS version too with SEOC on steroids

Sevan Matossian (05:35):

Steroids about

Chase Ingraham (05:40):

You start sizing up this t-shirt soon. You’re making fun of Derek, but you know, that’s a, well, I want, I’m not gonna use a pot call, a kettle black reference, but you know,

Bill Grundler (05:48):

I mean you could,

Sevan Matossian (05:50):


Bill Grundler (05:51):

You’ve gotta get a keeper tan. That’s this

Sevan Matossian (05:52):

Shirts too big on me. This is my pallet

Bill Grundler (05:55):


Chase Ingraham (05:56):

It’s your tiger wood shirt. That’s Sunday at the master man.

Sevan Matossian (06:00):

I wore this for one of the events we covered. I was

Chase Ingraham (06:03):

Gonna say

Sevan Matossian (06:03):

People started making memes. Like I worked at radio shack and shit. They put like a radio shack logo on here.

Bill Grundler (06:12):

I don’t know if you could pull off the same, like your same vibe with your, your leather strapped, uh, camera holsters and then a red button down. Shit. I don’t know if the, the effect would be the same.

Chase Ingraham (06:23):

Are there any radio shacks anymore or are they all closed?

Bill Grundler (06:26):

There’s one here in town.

Chase Ingraham (06:28):

There is really?

Bill Grundler (06:29):

Yeah. I mean, I, I, I feel

Chase Ingraham (06:31):

Like every city has one. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (06:33):

I think pulling up at chaser city. What city you live in? Chase?

Chase Ingraham (06:36):

Yeah. Alice.

Sevan Matossian (06:38):

Alice. Let’s see if the closest radio shack to house. Sorry, go there.

Bill Grundler (06:41):

No, it’s all good. Uh, I, I, what’s funny is I, I know that a lot of ’em went out of business and so I don’t know if the radio shack that is here is a authorized seller of radio shack stuff. Or if it’s an actual radio shack. I don’t know if that’s a,

Sevan Matossian (06:57):

You like going in there as a kid

Bill Grundler (06:58):

Radio shack.

Sevan Matossian (07:00):


Bill Grundler (07:00):

Hell yeah.

Sevan Matossian (07:01):

Me too.

Bill Grundler (07:03):

Did that. All the cool things, man. Like, yeah. Remote weird remote control, little robot things and

Sevan Matossian (07:09):

Cool little

Bill Grundler (07:10):

I techie

Chase Ingraham (07:11):

GA lemon.

Sevan Matossian (07:13):

I liked did you like going in there chase you? Weren’t a radio shack guy. Were you a radio shack guy chase like is a kid like, no,

Chase Ingraham (07:19):

Unless there’s like remote control cars sold at radio shack. I didn’t really have a need to go in there.

Sevan Matossian (07:25):

Did you, um, did you have a, um, did you ever rewire your car put in your own stereo shit like that?

Chase Ingraham (07:30):

No. That’s not smart enough to do that.

Sevan Matossian (07:32):

Did you do that stuff, bill like put a new stereo and speakers in your car and shit like that? I mean, we

Bill Grundler (07:36):

Would, we would rewire stuff. It was funny. Me and my brother, my brother had an old 69 Volkswagen, fast back

Chase Ingraham (07:43):


Bill Grundler (07:44):

Lowered to the ground. Like he slammed that thing to the ground. He got a ticket because it was too low here in San was so funny. But that like, that was when those things all came out and everyone was doing that. Everyone was rewiring like home stereo boxes in the backseat. So he’d have a stereo like a living room, stereo system box. So you could have your big subwoofer in the back and everyone’s putting their whatever amps under their seats and

Chase Ingraham (08:07):


Bill Grundler (08:07):

Whatever they could do. So yeah, we messed with that stuff. Hey,

Sevan Matossian (08:10):

And that’s back when I hated cops, I would see them pull someone over with their car lowered and I would just be like, you fucking assholes. Do you know how much work it’s gonna take that guy to fucking UN fuck that

Chase Ingraham (08:21):

Don’t break the loss of on

Bill Grundler (08:24):

Yes. I just thought that was so they, he got pulled over. Uh, the cop said, and this was funny. This is back in the day. So the cop said, if you can’t drive over this, uh, cigarette box, then you’re too low.

Chase Ingraham (08:35):


Bill Grundler (08:36):

And that was, that was, I, I don’t know. I, I mean, what cop is gonna be running around with the box a cigarette, but it’d be like, here’s the box? Here’s my measuring stick for that. So it’s like the

Chase Ingraham (08:45):

Barbell butt test, but for cars. Yeah,

Bill Grundler (08:47):

Totally. Yeah. Can you roll this over your

Chase Ingraham (08:50):

Ass? Yeah. Can you roll the barbell over your butt? It doesn’t go over. You’ve been squatting enough if not back to the squat rack.

Sevan Matossian (08:56):

Right. Does yours go over your butt chase?

Chase Ingraham (08:58):

Oh yeah. Is yours. Although I had, I had to do a lot of work cuz I, I was a swimmer, so like swimmers have no butts. So it took a lot of time to build that up.

Sevan Matossian (09:07):

I was actually thinking about you this morning in the shower chase. I was thinking about, I, I did, I did those buries. I did 50 burs the other day in, in a minute and 57. And instead of people being like, wow, that’s really good for, you know, that’s good, great job. Uh, people are like, yeah, he’s short. And I was wearing that.

Sevan Matossian (09:25):

It’s kinda weird. Um, and so I was, I was wondering about, I mean I popped in my head how, um, you used to test the games workouts when there were swimming. I, I don’t know if you do that anymore, but I saw you do that and you would have to do it impromptu. Like you’d just be there, like in your suit and she’d be like, get naked, jump in the pool. I would be like, he would be ready. Yeah. Did, um, and you would do really well, but did you, did that bother you when people would be like, well he was a collegiate swimmer.

Chase Ingraham (09:52):

Oh, he was no, that’s why I’m getting used to test that event. So because

Sevan Matossian (09:57):

You’re abnormally good at it.

Chase Ingraham (09:59):

Well, I also spent 15 years training it to be good at it. You know, I

Sevan Matossian (10:04):

Just I’ve been training burs about 15 years too, when they were introduced to me across it, I was like, okay, this is my jam Chase. Do you know the story? Um, how I met bill

Chase Ingraham (10:20):

Bill has

Sevan Matossian (10:21):

Told me the

Chase Ingraham (10:21):

Story and I, I wanted this story to get told on the podcast today because the world, I feel I can thank bill for you

Sevan Matossian (10:30):

In this space. Very close. It’s very close. Really? They’re close. There’s two guys. There’s two guys. Um, there was a guy Travis TIS. That was the first time I ever heard of CrossFit. Um, but um, I don’t remember how I met you chase. You’re just kind of one of those people. It was like, I was trying to think how I met Miranda Alrez I can’t remember. I think it’s just like, we were in the same space so much that eventually we just were forced to say hi to each other. Right.

Mattew Ouza (10:58):


Sevan Matossian (11:00):

Is that accurate chase? That’s our story. It’s kind of boring. Like, okay, he’s here. I’m here. Hey, what’s up? What are you

Chase Ingraham (11:05):

Doing? Uh, yeah. Yeah. That’s it like? We’re just, um, we’re, we’re basically mutual friends through bill that’s. All

Sevan Matossian (11:12):

Right. Okay. Okay. Um, bill, do you remember the story very well? How we met? Yeah, I do. Will you tell it?

Bill Grundler (11:21):

Um, so the first time I heard about your name was through a firefighter, he was a lifeguard and then a firefighter that I hired, who was your college roommate? Chad wro.

Sevan Matossian (11:30):

Yeah. So he is like, and when you say my roommate, I, I think I was pretty much homeless and I would just sneak into his living room and say

Bill Grundler (11:39):

Roommate, like he left the door open for you.

Sevan Matossian (11:41):

Yes, yes.

Bill Grundler (11:43):

Um, but he said that, uh, I don’t know, you guys are talking. He is like, yeah, my captain’s, you know, we do these weird workouts and we do this stuff and it’s this CrossFit stuff. And you know, he, we do all these weird things and it’s super hard, blah,

Sevan Matossian (11:55):

Blah, blah, blah. Sorry. You’re right. I hadn’t heard of CrossFit at that point. Yeah, you’re right. You’re right. Fuck. You’re welcome. Sorry, go on. You’re welcome. I got now I got collared shirts. Thank you, bill.

Bill Grundler (12:10):

So then, uh, after it was, uh, a birthday party that I had at a friend’s house, um, it was my birthday and we had just some friends over and, and Chad was actually, he was one of the guys and we had, we had this, um, I think it’s a fire station. We did a body for life competition. It was kind of a fitness thing that we did with the firefighters, trying to get everyone eating right and losing weight, whatever the transformation stuff was.

Sevan Matossian (12:35):

And you were the captain at that firehouse, right? You were the big dog there. Yeah.

Bill Grundler (12:38):

Okay. Yeah. Um, and so we did the winner, got whatever money and um, they splurge on a keg and so we, all, everyone got all fit and then we would go and have a keg party at this house. And so at my buddy’s house. And you were just coming back from filming the arm wrestling, uh, thing with Travis. Okay. So you and Hailey were in

Sevan Matossian (13:01):

This oh five or is this

Bill Grundler (13:02):

Oh 6 0 5. Oh man, I think. Oh five. Okay. Yeah, I think, oh five. Um, so you guys were coming back in your Winnebago, you had your two great Danes in your car. That was the fr I of met you. And I met and I, I mean, I’m not a fan of her, not right now, but my daughter, my youngest daughter’s mom that same day. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (13:22):


Bill Grundler (13:23):

That same day. So we were all hanging out in the back, you know, everyone’s partying and whatever. At the end of the night, we all went to the local, uh, dive bar, Alex’s bar and grill at the time. It’s not there anymore. Um, got all hammered. And the last thing I remember was me and Chad, you drove your RV right in front of the bar. We crashed out in your RV. And all I remember was waking up to your great Danes, licking my face in the morning. That’s

Sevan Matossian (13:50):

Right. Hey, were we all throwing up and shit? I REM I think I remember being like hung over hungover. We were

Bill Grundler (13:56):

Hungover. Yeah. There was a lot of drinking that was going on. It was a lot of drinking, but that was the fir that was the very first time we met. And then like, literally ever since that, and then you, you know, you got in, you were doing the, uh, you got in, did the every second count things. Um, that movie, you, I love that you hit up Glassman personally and were like, Hey, your video sucked. Can I do, let me just do ’em. And you know, that was very early on CrossFit. And that’s what was so cool about the early days of CrossFit. Like that was that’s how everyone got into whatever the space was that they were you nobody, I mean, other than you were already kind of making videos, you were doing some of that stuff, everyone that did the stuff that they were doing really didn’t have a, any experience on stuff.

Bill Grundler (14:38):

It was like, Hey, this job needs to get done. I’ll do it. Yeah. Hey, I’ll do it. Put me in there. I’ll I can do that. Hey, you’re kind of good at this. You wanna go hop in on? All right. Sure. And everyone just kind of did things, but like CRO the CrossFit, like the story, like my story in CrossFit is just really weird. Like my connection with you, my connection with Greg, even with Glassman, like I met him at, um, a baby shower in Santa Cruz because one of the guys that was one of the original members at his gym that was designing stuff, Nick as, um, wow. Stuff for like, wow. Yeah. Like the journal and all that kinda stuff. Like his daughter was, is my daughter’s best friend from birth because my ex-wife and Nick’s wife were best friends in college and we’re all at this baby shower and Greg’s there and he Greg’s there with a, and I don’t remember. I don’t know if Nicole was, there was some Asian, was

Sevan Matossian (15:33):

That, what year was that? Was that 2004,

Bill Grundler (15:36):

2000 2001, one or two? Yeah. I think, I think Alexis was like six months old. Maybe you

Sevan Matossian (15:43):

Guys are so old,

Bill Grundler (15:45):

Like, dude, we’re all drunk there and it’s like, Hey, let’s have a pull up competition. And so, you know, I’m, I’m a wrestler and I’m like, I’m like, oh, I’m gonna fucking crush these guys. So what do we do? We get up there and they’re, they’re not doing. I mean, and, and this was, I wasn’t into the CrossFit thing. So I didn’t like, I just did my pullups. I do pulls away. I do pull ups. I can do a lot of ’em strip. And they’re like, you know, not that we knew, not that we knew butterfly or anything like that, but they’re doing this keeping stuff I’m like, and I was the classic put the foot

Sevan Matossian (16:13):

Cheaters. You can’t

Bill Grundler (16:14):

Do those up Fucking beat me. I can totally do more than you on put. Yeah. But that was it’s crazy, man. Like the connections way back are a trip. And then ever since then, dude, like you you’ve always been like, for me, you’ve always been my connection on CrossFit when I needed a connection. You in CrossFit, that’s not in CrossFit. So like, remember when grid came out. Yeah. And I’m like, dude, they need masters. I wanna, I wanna hop in on that. Yeah. You first person, I head up I’m dude

Sevan Matossian (16:42):

Have a good memory.

Bill Grundler (16:43):

Is this fake? Is this fake? Not fake? Should I hop in? Can I hop in? I really wanna do it. I mean, so we’ve had a really cool connection ever, like ever since that ever since way back, man. It’s

Sevan Matossian (16:53):

True. I, I, uh, it’s funny. Um, and you and Greg, uh, Greg, um, Chad, my friend, Chad, who, who was, who introduced me to you, he had a love, hate relationship with you too. Like, I just remember, like, he’d be just talking about how fucking amazing you were. He would tell these stories that were unfucking believable, um, of, of being fully suited and running these stairs. Yeah. On, on the, on the cliffs of the Pacific ocean there. And he would just tell me, he’d be like, dude. And I would be like, I can’t even fucking believe this shit he’s telling me. And just the hour long workouts and the, the fucking shit he used to, you used to make those guys do with the hoses was so hard. He, he wanted to be as fit as you so fucking bad. He looked up to you, but you just drove them. So fucking hard is like torn. You know what I mean? Yeah. Is this guy good guy? Or is this guy fucking assholes? This guy, asshole. And you know, today, I mean you, I mean, uh, I mean, he’s a great guy anyway, but he’s an he’s. I don’t know if you’re still, he’s a

Bill Grundler (17:47):

Fire captain now. Yeah, yeah. M yeah.

Sevan Matossian (17:49):

Yeah. He’s a gem of a man and, and, uh, society is lucky that he trained under you and that he’s out there, um, saving lives today. It’s crazy.

Bill Grundler (17:58):

Yeah. It’s good, dude.

Sevan Matossian (17:58):

Yeah. If I got an accident, I’d want his engine to roll up.

Bill Grundler (18:01):

Do you remember, do you remember this conversation? You came by one time. I think you actually worked out at my fire station in Shelby beach one time. Yeah. Came through.

Sevan Matossian (18:08):

Did I work out there with you? I pulled up out front. Yeah,

Bill Grundler (18:11):

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I, we did something. We did something in the, in the bay there, I think. And we it’s chase. You’re gonna laugh at this one. Um, we talked about, uh, firefighter workouts and you talked about how we, the whole thing about like, you know, the cheetah doesn’t get warmed up before it goes to an all out sprint to do whatever. So like I now would laugh about how sometimes I think it’s good for firefighters to do a workout without getting warmed up because that’s how you work on the call. Like you get the bell, the bell goes off, you know, like, hold on one second. I have to mobilize. I need to mobilize my back out. I need to make sure I roll my hips up. Maybe do a little happy baby over here before we get up and do this thing. And that thing, happy

Chase Ingraham (18:47):

Baby. Once

Sevan Matossian (18:48):

A happy baby.

Chase Ingraham (18:49):

So you land your back and you grab the inside of your feet and you like rock around.

Bill Grundler (18:53):

Yeah. We like stretching out your hips. You know, I gotta mobilize the hip. What’s

Sevan Matossian (18:56):

That? What’s a happy wife. Is there, is that a stretch too?

Bill Grundler (18:58):

Yeah, but that that’s like, we call that a Saturday night ride. Yeah. It’s a whole different kind of like hips opening up, um,

Sevan Matossian (19:05):

From stretching.

Bill Grundler (19:06):

Um, but like now I find myself and I am terrible. I, I preach mobilization and warming up and all that. And dude, I just time wise, I just don’t do it. There’s a happy baby right there.

Sevan Matossian (19:18):

Oh yeah. I see. One of my boys does that a lot.

Bill Grundler (19:22):


Sevan Matossian (19:22):

Mean, he goes into the splits from there, like at jujitsu. I see him do that a lot. Happy

Bill Grundler (19:26):

Baby. I mean, you need, especially if you got

Sevan Matossian (19:27):

Happy baby and happy wife look like very similar, it’s

Bill Grundler (19:30):

Very similar.

Chase Ingraham (19:32):

Add, add a counterpart to it. And

Bill Grundler (19:37):

Um, but uh, but doing like workouts, doing workouts where you don’t, where you don’t do a whole lot of like, I nowadays I’m like, start the clock. Here we go. Just put the weight on. Let’s go. I do that. Like not on purpose, not because I think it’s anything, but it’s more of a time thing. But man, I that all the time now

Sevan Matossian (19:52):

I don’t do anything unless I do 10 minutes on the assault bike first,

Bill Grundler (19:56):


Sevan Matossian (19:57):

Nothing. Like I like literally like it, it is the foundation of every single fucking, and maybe it’s also because then I can research like podcasts while I’m doing that. Like I can pull up on the screen or I can listen or I can take notes, but like, I need to be

Bill Grundler (20:10):

Nick. She knows what’s up first two rounds. He’s an old member of ours. Yeah. We call him burpy, Nick, you and him should go burpy to burpy.

Sevan Matossian (20:18):

And, and, and I get that, like if I was doing Cindy and I was like, okay, I’m gonna do 20 rounds. I’m gonna do a round a minute. Then maybe I, maybe I wouldn’t do the assault bike first. I would just be like, okay, I’m gonna game this. I’m gonna do 20 rounds. And the first five rounds will be the warmup. I,

Bill Grundler (20:33):


Sevan Matossian (20:34):

But I don’t lift anything heavy. Are you still lift heavy bill?

Bill Grundler (20:37):


Sevan Matossian (20:38):


Bill Grundler (20:39):

Did you get the workout that I sent you chase yesterday? Yes.

Chase Ingraham (20:41):

Did I not respond to you? Sorry.

Bill Grundler (20:43):

No. You’re like, you’re like, damn. Yeah. So, and I, I like to lift heavy still. I’m not, not as heavy as I was when I was like training, but, um, I still like to put some weight, overhead

Chase Ingraham (20:51):

Still effing strong, man.

Sevan Matossian (20:52):

What’s what’s the heaviest thing you’ve lifted in the last, uh, six months. Even just like a deadlift or a back squatter. A bench. Um,

Bill Grundler (20:59):

Deadlift. I’ve pulled 4 0 5 back squat. I’ve done 365, um, clean a jerk. I’ve done 2 65 missed 2 75. Wow.

Sevan Matossian (21:12):

You are still strong as shit.

Bill Grundler (21:14):

Wow. Hanging in there, hanging in there. I gotta keep up with my brother, man. He’s fucking strong.

Sevan Matossian (21:18):

How old are you? Yeah,

Bill Grundler (21:19):

50. I’ll be 53 in a month. Two months.

Sevan Matossian (21:21):

No shit. Yeah. Where you dye your hair?

Bill Grundler (21:25):

No dude. It’s all. No, it’s all natural.

Sevan Matossian (21:27):

Do you think that something’s

Bill Grundler (21:29):


Sevan Matossian (21:29):


Bill Grundler (21:29):

Look at all. Look, look at, look at the beard. Look how, look, how dark my beard is compared to yours. I think you, your mustache look at that.

Sevan Matossian (21:38):

Some, some stranger came up to me and goes, Hey, you should die your beard. And he go, I go, why do you say that? It was just at a, a coffee shop in Santa Cruz. And he goes, because then it won’t be so obvious you do outta your hair. I’m like, wow. I, I just ignored him. I was like,

Chase Ingraham (21:52):

I was thinking about that this morning in a coffee shop, looking at old men with dye hair. And I was like, you look so ridiculous. Like who gives shit? If you’re going gray? Yeah. Like just own it.

Sevan Matossian (22:06):

Agree with the I don’t women should die their too. I,

Chase Ingraham (22:09):

I don’t think we should either

Sevan Matossian (22:10):

Here. Yeah. Me neither.

Chase Ingraham (22:12):

Just let it go.

Sevan Matossian (22:13):

Yeah, let it go. I, I think it, uh, at some point, uh, I think she’s talking to you bill shit.

Bill Grundler (22:19):

That’s my girlfriend right there. She’s That’s a freebie on my side. I’ll take that. I’ll

Chase Ingraham (22:26):

Take that.

Sevan Matossian (22:27):

You didn’t have to say that you dude, that I’m 46 and have way more gray hair. All right. Fair enough. I, I don’t have any below here though, yet. Like, I don’t have any on my titties or on my sack or on my butt. Occasionally I’ll get a stray gray out of the nose and it’s fucking coarse. It’s like, it’s like thick. It’s like, it’s likes like a nail.

Bill Grundler (22:51):

It is weird that like a gray hair is definitely different feeling than like a colored hair. Like I don’t, I don’t know why that feels different. I mean like, cuz I’ll get, I’ll get like, I’ll get one outta here too. It just comes out. It’s like way different.

Chase Ingraham (23:04):

Isn’t it more like COE? Yeah. And tough.

Bill Grundler (23:07):

Yeah. I don’t

Sevan Matossian (23:07):

Know, like thick. If you had a micrometer, it would be thicker.

Bill Grundler (23:11):


Sevan Matossian (23:11):

How old are you? Chase?

Chase Ingraham (23:13):

I will be 40 in November.

Bill Grundler (23:16):

Look that. And

Sevan Matossian (23:17):

You and you have, and you have kids. You have how many kids?

Chase Ingraham (23:19):


Sevan Matossian (23:21):

And how old are they?

Chase Ingraham (23:22):

Uh, they just turned four and two back in February.

Sevan Matossian (23:25):

Wow. You started November?

Mattew Ouza (23:27):

What? November? What?

Chase Ingraham (23:28):


Mattew Ouza (23:29):

Oh, okay. Cause after finding that we used Chase’s living in Livermore.

Chase Ingraham (23:33):

Yeah. Yeah.

Mattew Ouza (23:34):

And then my, my birthday’s in November. I’m November 24th though.

Chase Ingraham (23:37):

Hey, look at us Scorpios. So,

Sevan Matossian (23:42):

And, and chase. Do you have a day job or you, you run a gym?

Chase Ingraham (23:45):

Yeah. I have an affiliate here in Dallas, CrossFit, big D, which we would sell a lot of t-shirts if we actually made them, but I don’t.

Sevan Matossian (23:53):

Yeah. And what does the D stand for

Chase Ingraham (23:56):

Dallas? It’s the nickname for Dallas? Big D big

Sevan Matossian (24:00):

D. And you have a gym too. Uh, bill

Bill Grundler (24:02):

CrossFit, Inferno.

Sevan Matossian (24:03):

And I’ve been to your gym of bunch of times. You

Bill Grundler (24:05):

Actually, yeah. You and Greg actually showed up on our 10 year anniversary.

Sevan Matossian (24:08):

That’s right.

Bill Grundler (24:09):


Sevan Matossian (24:10):

And, and so that’s what you guys do. BA BA you guys run your gyms and you do, um, is, is it seasonal work or is it not? It’s all year doing game stuff by games. I mean the whole ecosystem of competitions

Chase Ingraham (24:25):

Escape now it’s, it’s more year round with the off season events, getting able to do live feeds, but bill and I, I mean, we’ll do anything from waza, which is like that January, February to Dubai, which is in that December and then like anything in between we, uh, it’s like contract stuff, I guess.

Bill Grundler (24:48):


Sevan Matossian (24:51):

Um, and do you guys do a lot of stuff together? So like when I think of Tommy and Sean, because they have the podcast, I think of them as doing a lot of stuff together. And it’s always kind of weird when they’re not together for me. Like what, what, what did I watch? There’s a couple things I felt like I watched that it was you and Sean, right. Chase. And then there was something I watched that was bill and, and, and Sean That I followed and covered on my podcast. Uh, two separate events maybe in the last year. Um, but do you guys like to go together, you guys, and you guys have the podcast together, get, get with the program?

Chase Ingraham (25:24):

Yes, yes. Get with the programming. Um, bill and I, man, I feel like we, we were, obviously we work really well together. We have the podcast together, the way we work with the other broadcasters and how that all mixes up. I mean, we’ve been doing that for 10 years, so it’s not that weird, but you do have different relationships as far as how the flow goes, how you work together, how you feed off the other. It’s just, it’s a little different experience with the different people that you use, but it’s not abnormal not to work together for us, but I like working together. I wish we got to do more broadcast, uh, events together.

Bill Grundler (26:04):

Yeah. Yeah. We have fun.

Sevan Matossian (26:08):

How, how, how does that work? Is it, um, um, you, you know, when you graduate from high school people, people, you know, there’s always that thing, oh, this is so much like high school. This is so much like high school and you really need someone kind of to tell you, Hey, that’s how the rest of life is gonna be. Rest of life is gonna be who you know, who likes you and, and I’m not digging on. I’m not, um, uh, ripping on that. I think it’s a perfectly fine metric in a lot of spaces. Sorry, go ahead, bill.

Bill Grundler (26:36):

No, I was gonna say, I, I think

Sevan Matossian (26:38):

That I heard that big old nose years taken air. I know that’s so important just like that, you know, like what a propane tanks about Dick’s foots, like, which is sucking in oxygen that, I mean, did I say no that grainier needs oxygen? Sorry. Sorry. That’s

Bill Grundler (26:50):

Right. You got a big nose. So you can say that’s fair.

Sevan Matossian (26:52):

That’s fair. We just like pulling in fucking oh two for SmartShip to come out. Okay, go ahead.

Bill Grundler (26:58):

Um, I think that in our space, you know, there’s always a, a matter of who you know, or where you are. There are you, you happen to fall into a situation or, or an opportunity at a, at a particular time, whether you made that opportunity happen or not by who, you know, um, being that we’ve done broadcast stuff over the years with the CrossFit games and the regionals and stuff like that. A lot of the other events wanted if they have a broadcast, if they have a live stream, then if you have the, the voices of CrossFit, the games, the regionals, the, the announcements, whatever broadcasting their event, then it, it, it brings a, a sense of legitimacy to that event. It makes it feel like it’s in, oh, the same sphere. So it’s like, you know, they wanna have us there too. And, you know, I mean, we’ll, we’ll hit up the events and be like, Hey, do you wanna have this? You know, do you want some of some of that kinda stuff? And I, you know, some of the events I, you want to go to help the event you want to go. And I mean, for a, for us, a lot of times so that we can get reps on that too. We wanna get experience. Cuz we aren’t professional broadcasters. We never were. We were CrossFiters that liked the coach who like to get this space and yeah, totally. Um, you know, when you’re, when and

Sevan Matossian (28:14):

Says anything stupid, let me interrupt you. Yeah. Um, Shaquila ne and fucking Charles Barkley are not professional fucking broadcasters either. And now they are. No one’s saying anything fucking stupid.

Bill Grundler (28:24):

Well mean it, it takes some time to get there for sure. You know, and,

Sevan Matossian (28:28):

And Steven and that guy, Steven, a Smith on ESPN that is not a fucking professional broadcast. That’s a professional ask clown. He’s fucking ruining ESPN is ruining the UFC with their professional broadcasting. Let’s be very, very clear. Totally.

Bill Grundler (28:40):

I, I think, I think what we, what we are able to bring to broadcast is that we are one we’re coaches. So we can see certain things that a lot of people can’t see, uh, we’re athletes. So we understand what they’re doing, what they need to do, what they should be doing, what they’re messing up on, whatever. And then we just have a love for what it is like we, I’m a, I’m a CrossFitter man. Like I’ve done all the sports. I mean, I’ll always consider myself a wrestler. And so I love competition and I always have, um, but you know, we’ve been, this has been our sport for the last handful of years. So we get excited about it. It’s not hard for us to get excited about a race that’s going on and all the cool things that are happening it, you know, I think, and I think honestly, that, that comes from being an affiliate coach because every day we’re in all those classes and you gotta bring excitement to the people that are out there and what you’re saying and all that. So I think it’s really, really fun. And I think the events start to see that and they want that for their, um, their events. And either we hit them up and reach out or they reach out to us and then we go and, and you know, whether they, whether they get Sean and me or Sean and chase or chasing me or Sean and Tommy or Tommy and whoever, uh,

Bill Grundler (29:57):

That’s funny, that’s funny.

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