#333 – Matt O’Keefe

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Brian Friend (01:30):

It’s a ritual for you now.

Sevan Matossian (01:32):

Yeah, it’s, it’s cool. It’s like in the early years, I wasn’t sure if I just liked my wife because she had boobs in a vagina. And now I, I know I like her for more than that, but, but, but it’s gotta start somewhere. So maybe, maybe I’ll start to like this show more.

Brian Friend (01:47):

Um, you shouldn’t bring up your wife really when I’m on the show. Cause I’m just gonna have an unlimited amount of positive things to say about her.

Sevan Matossian (01:53):

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Brian Friend (01:59):

And that’s not that wouldn’t be on the list of amazing things. Outlets about her since I have no experience.

Sevan Matossian (02:04):

Thank you. Thank you. You’re a good dude. Uh let’s oh, Tyler, we needed you last night. What were we talking about last night? I feel like there was something we talked about where he should have been in the comments railing away.

Brian Friend (02:18):

Um, I don’t know. Last night was probably some at some points, a little bit of a blur when I got a little excited.

Sevan Matossian (02:27):

I thought it was one of our best shows ever.

Brian Friend (02:29):

Yeah, I think so too. I think it’s just, uh, um, you know, it was the third week that we’d done it with Angela, so it’s good flow. And also I really, really thought that, uh, Colton cameo in the beginning was, was very nice.

Sevan Matossian (02:42):

Oh yeah. Yeah. So I, how that formed was I, um, I’ve been bugging him all week if he, when he knows his scores to tell me, so he told me a score this week and I thought it was the world record. So I was like, oh cool. I didn’t want cold. Mertons on, I wanted the fastest guy in the world who did that workout.

Brian Friend (02:59):

It would’ve been tough to know. I knew about Augustine Alma’s time of four 15, but I didn’t know about Scott Telo at 4 0 7. So,

Sevan Matossian (03:07):

So, so we had to settle for Colton, but it paid off. Of course, because of that haircut. Holy. That’s a breaking new.

Brian Friend (03:16):

Yeah. Now Colton’s a, he’s it’s always fun to have him on.

Sevan Matossian (03:20):

And he, he was doing good with the talking part.

Brian Friend (03:23):

Seems more comfortable in general. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (03:25):

Yeah. Yeah. Even that’s important. That’s important for a podcast to be good at the talking part.

Brian Friend (03:32):

It is. That’s why you’re so good at it.

Sevan Matossian (03:34):

Uh, yesterday I had mentioned that, uh, Matt Fraser, the interview with, uh, um, um, um, the kaisei, uh, Lauren

Brian Friend (03:45):


Sevan Matossian (03:46):

Kil. Oh, even her name has kil in it.

Brian Friend (03:49):

I think that’s why you call her kaisei

Sevan Matossian (03:51):

No, I just, I was cuz more superficial cuz she’s a pretty blonde girl.

Brian Friend (03:54):

No, it was uh, subconscious. You saw her name there. You saw the blonde girl and just made the

Sevan Matossian (04:00):

Link. Kelly. See, I just see her walking out of a burning building.

Brian Friend (04:03):

You wanna have her on the show here? We could invite her

Sevan Matossian (04:05):

On. I would love to.

Brian Friend (04:07):

Yeah, well let’s invite her on.

Sevan Matossian (04:08):

I would love to. That’d be awesome. Um, and um, but, but then I saw this morning, um, Matt, also, if you also want to see what’s going on with Matt, um, he did an interview that just posted 12 hour ago with talking elite fitness with Sean Winland and Tommy Marquez. I got about halfway through it. Oh I think I just saw Matt. Uh, oh no, you’re the wrong Matt.

Matt O’Keefe (04:29):

Oh, you wanted Matt Fraser. Oh, you were waiting for Matt Fraser. Sorry guys.

Sevan Matossian (04:36):

I think, I think the text messages got all crossed up.

Brian Friend (04:40):

This is a, this is a right mad as far as I’m concerned.

Matt O’Keefe (04:44):

Uh, like that. How you doing Brian?

Brian Friend (04:48):

Hey, if I’m not mistaken, did Scott have a pretty good tournament this past weekend?

Matt O’Keefe (04:53):

He had a great weekend. Yeah. He, um, after the third round was within three shots of the lead. That’s the biggest tournament every year in the world. It’s the biggest price person, 20 million they give away

Brian Friend (05:05):

And it’s not a major and it’s not a major. And this is a actually a relevant, uh, thought for CrossFit in the coming years. It’s not impossible that an off season event becomes the biggest prize person CrossFit too.

Matt O’Keefe (05:17):

Yeah. And just take

Sevan Matossian (05:18):

In Scott, the golfer. Let’s see if he pops up.

Brian Friend (05:24):

Hi text, uh, Todd, Todd put, uh, put up something about Scott and uh, just, uh, like how he was ready for this weekend, whatever I said. Yeah. Cause he’s got all the best gear and he said, no, he’s got the best mindset.

Matt O’Keefe (05:37):

He, he really he’s HES got he’s it’s such a mental game. It’s crazy. We got to spend the, the first half of the week with them. Um, I CAD for him on Sunday. Yeah. Down there. Uh,

Sevan Matossian (05:52):


Matt O’Keefe (05:52):

Did give us caddy a break. Yeah. I’ve been doing that a little bit.

Brian Friend (05:56):

I apologize if you’ve rehashed this experience in another setting and I haven’t heard it, but how cool was that shot on 17?

Matt O’Keefe (06:05):

Uh, I haven’t talked about it. I haven’t talked about Sivan. Do you? Do you know what? This is?

Sevan Matossian (06:10):

No paint. The whole picture for me. I’m pulling up Scott’s uh, Instagram account. By the way I had him on the podcast.

Matt O’Keefe (06:14):

I’ll I’ll paint the picture while you don’t pay attention.

Sevan Matossian (06:17):

Okay. No, no. I’m ish. I’m listening.

Matt O’Keefe (06:21):

So the 17th hole happy,

Sevan Matossian (06:23):

Happy birthday. Happy birthday.

Matt O’Keefe (06:26):

Oh, thank you very much. Appreciate it. The 17th hole at Sawgrass, which is the, the course that hosts this tournament, it’s called the player’s championship. So the player’s championship is basically the players on the tour. It’s their tournament. It’s, it’s all about them that week. And it’s the biggest prize press by white years. So, um, I think majors are like 14 million. This is 20 million, but the course is iconic now because it’s at the same course every year. And the 17th hole kind of weighs in on, um, who wins and doesn’t cause it’s an island green. It’s just this green in the middle of a lake. Um, and it’s a hundred and fifty five sixty yard shot that when you have a lead coming in to win the players’ championship, which is your biggest moment in your career financially, um, you have to hit this like postage stamp green in the middle of a pond.

Matt O’Keefe (07:18):

So during the practice rounds, uh, they, the players have fun and let their cadies hit shots there. Um, so I caddy for Scott and when we got up there and there’s always people watching, so it’s like a, it’s a, it’s a little unnerving for an average golfer when people are watching you, uh, in general, um, and put yourself in like, you know, it’s like put yourself at Fenway park, taking pattern, practice, you know, it’s, uh, becomes like this, you know, next level thing. But I got to hit a shot there on Sunday and I hit the green. Just, I just want you guys to know this. I hit the green.

Brian Friend (07:52):

It was hard to, uh, yes. It’s hard to tell in the video, but by the reaction it was pretty obvious. You were happy

Sevan Matossian (07:58):

Right off the right off the team. You hit it.

Matt O’Keefe (08:02):

Yeah. Over hit the green. Um, I mean there are, this, this hole makes mince meet of, of, you know, some of the greatest men to ever play the, the game of golf, you know, again, totally different circumstances. Um, but it’s um,

Sevan Matossian (08:21):

I hope you make

Matt O’Keefe (08:21):

A million

Sevan Matossian (08:22):

There behind you. Okie because I Hope’s, they’re doing, I hope they’re doing million dollar business deals behind you. It’s ever in the room with you.

Matt O’Keefe (08:32):

Oh, I got the whole H WPO crew we launched. So we’re all in a room and

Sevan Matossian (08:37):

You’re inseparable,

Matt O’Keefe (08:39):

Grinding, grinding on, uh, questions and making sure people get to the right place. So how are you guys by the way?

Sevan Matossian (08:45):

I I’m just, I’m just busting your balls. It’s not that bad.

Matt O’Keefe (08:49):

I feel like I’m on Jerry’s Springer with this yellow thing down the bottom.

Sevan Matossian (08:53):

Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Why is that there? Thank you for pointing that out. Someone has to run on the show. I just, I, I tried to log into my Instagram. I, I just got really flustered. I tried to log into my Instagram account and it wants my code and I don’t have my phone with me. And so I can’t, I can’t, I can’t log into it. And, and, and, and show your, your shot. Is it on your Instagram, your 17th, uh, whole shot.

Matt O’Keefe (09:13):

It is, uh, no, it was on my store.

Brian Friend (09:15):

I think it was on, I, I think it was on stores.

Matt O’Keefe (09:18):

I, I, by the way, like four weeks prior, I CAD an event in Phoenix forum and, and there’s another like iconic hole there is that 16, basically they, yeah, they take the 16 hole and they put a, a stadium around it of like 40,000 seats. And like, people just get rowdy. You gotta, you gotta look it up. Somebody made a hole in one there. Um,

Brian Friend (09:40):

Didn’t they just like shower beer on the course.

Matt O’Keefe (09:41):

They just like threw beers on the, it took ’em like an hour to clean up the hole. It it’s. It’s amazing. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (09:48):

It’s instantaneous. Someone hits a hole in one and, and 10,000 people. Just

Matt O’Keefe (09:54):

Yeah. Whatever’s in their hand goes onto the golf course.

Sevan Matossian (09:57):

Oh, that’s awesome.

Brian Friend (09:59):

I mean, those are, you gotta

Matt O’Keefe (10:00):

Pull it up. It’s

Brian Friend (10:01):

Those have become like, there, there are definitely two of the most famous 10 holes in golf. Maybe the top five at this point.

Sevan Matossian (10:07):

Oh, tell, tell me what I would Google hole in one where

Matt O’Keefe (10:11):

Hole in one Phoenix open.

Brian Friend (10:14):

Is it called the Phoenix open though? No longer. You’re the waste management.

Matt O’Keefe (10:18):

It’s w it’s WM. Yeah. It’s the waste management open, but I think,

Sevan Matossian (10:22):

Oh, if I play this, we’re screwed. We’re

Brian Friend (10:24):

Screwed. What

Sevan Matossian (10:26):

If I put, just because you know, they’re gonna, they’re gonna, they’re gonna screw with my video. I’m sure. If I put by, Put this up, I’ll let the commercial run through and then I’ll put it up. I’ll put, Hey, how did you meet Scott stalling. Okie.

Matt O’Keefe (10:41):

So, um, through, oh, there we go. We’re going live now. Watch this. And then I’ll answer

Brian Friend (10:49):

What an environment.

Sevan Matossian (10:55):


Matt O’Keefe (10:55):

Insane. So there’s 40,000 and people around this hole right now and watch what ensues right now. This

Sevan Matossian (11:02):

Is, oh my goodness. Oh, wow. It’s just rainy

Matt O’Keefe (11:10):

It’s people and knowing gets kicked out

Sevan Matossian (11:12):

That that’s legit.

Matt O’Keefe (11:15):

Oh no. And what happens is, is in the morning with the people line up the gate at like 3:00 AM, cuz there’s only like a very small section of, um, public access seating. Those are all suites and it’s it’s, it’s like a famous run. It’s a mile from the gate and people sprint from the gate to the seats and they sit there all day. So like that right here. These people watch this.

Sevan Matossian (11:39):

Oh my goodness.

Brian Friend (11:40):

Oh my

Brian Friend (11:41):


Matt O’Keefe (11:44):


Brian Friend (11:44):


Speaker 6 (11:44):

At the people get destroyed who are on the, on the field of play.

Matt O’Keefe (11:47):

Holy. So those people in that back right corner there, they’ve been sitting there now at this point for like 12 hours. And they’re probably like 20 beers deep, you know, like it’s just a total frat party. Um,

Sevan Matossian (12:02):

Hey, so anyway, I met I’ve I, I didn’t, I had no idea there was a venue like this in golf. It, those are per, you said those are sweets. That’s a golf hole inside of being rounded by hotel rooms. Is that what I see there?

Matt O’Keefe (12:15):

No, no. Those are like, um, they

Brian Friend (12:18):

Erect that entire structure for that competition.

Matt O’Keefe (12:20):

Yeah. What’s that’s a temp. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that’ll be up that takes about five months to build, they’ll take it down really quick. Within like a month, the course will be empty for cuz it’s a resort and people will play it and they’ll start building it five months prior to that tournament. Again, it, it does, it does beg the question why they don’t, because it’s such an iconic venue. Why they don’t just start to build some permanence around that, cuz that has to cost millions of dollars to build every year. Um, but I, you were asking about where I met Scott. I met Scott, well, I’ve met Scott prior to the pandemic, but we got close in the pandemic. Um, just being stuck at home. We would do workouts together, send them back and forth. We did a bunch of podcasting together. Um, he’s a big fan of CrossFit had been for a long time.

Matt O’Keefe (13:06):

So we would, you know, sort of banter back and forth through, um, Instagram, you know, he’d comment on stuff. He knew I was a golfer. Um, and you know, we did like, I just, I think like Todd said, Brian was saying that mindset. I mean, I just really love how, how Scott thinks he’s such a grinder. Uh, and it’s not like you’re what you would think, prototypical golfer. Um, but the more your time you spend out there on tour meeting those guys, there is some pretty badass guys. Like they, they grind, you know, they work out really hard in the gym and it’s a mental war to, to do what they do playing for as much as they do the stress that’s involved. But anyway, Scott’s a great guy.

Sevan Matossian (13:47):

When you say you like the way he thinks, what do you mean by that?

Matt O’Keefe (13:51):

He just, he’s just, he thinks, um, I, you know what, that’s a really good, good question. And the reason I say that is is I, I think I bring it back to what I said before. I don’t think a lot of people think golfers think like other athletes in sport and um, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll two part that, so for one he thinks like you would think a football player or a baseball player or a hockey player, or, you know, the best CrossFitter in the world might think, you know, he’s just great grim, you know, determination, you know, even though he is hitting a white ball off a tee with a collared shirt arm. Right. Um, and I’m really align with guy it’s like black and white. It’s like do work, um, shut up, let’s talk more, more work, you know, um, you know, he, you know, put in an honest day every day, um, it just, you know, he, and I just have a really good alignment on, on, I think life in general, um, love being around him. I love being around his family. Um, you know, he’s just, he’s good. He’s good people too. Like I think there’s not, um, I mean, it’s just, uh, you know, I say all the time, good things with good people for the right reasons. Scott’s one of those people, like, he just doesn’t have a bad thing to say about anybody

Sevan Matossian (15:00):

And, and basically the CrossFit community has embraced this guy because he’s, he’s down with the protocol

Matt O’Keefe (15:06):

He is man. Like I, I, um, so I’ve gone to a bit, I, you know, obviously a few tournaments, um, and a, probably more, you know, just, you know, um, to spend some time and, and it’s a, that’s a lonely place for those guys. I mean they travel 30 weeks a year, at least. Uh, so, you know, being able to have some normalcy on the road is important. Um, but dude, he gets after it. Like I worked out with him at the players on Monday and Tuesday and I mean, I’m like, I’m relatively fit. Like I can’t keep up with him. Like he has an engine, like a real engine. Um, you know, he stays away from, you know, well, you know, some of the, you know, traditional, you know, CrossFit stuff, we would love which, you know, couplets and gymnastic stuff. Like he obviously is like very, uh, caring for his shoulders. But man, man, like you put a 40 minute EAM in front of this kid with like calories on machines. Like, I mean he’s up there with some of the best he’s like really fit

Sevan Matossian (16:09):

Hey, if that picture behind you is bigger. I, yeah, it would, it, it would look like you were sitting there at the, at the edge of a bridge. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Hey, don’t take a step back, dude. That first step backs the doozy. Yeah, that killer right there. Holy cow. I,

Matt O’Keefe (16:29):

I would just have to sit here with my, like in a half curl with my laptop though for like an hour or so. I don’t

Sevan Matossian (16:34):

Know if you, you know, what’d be amazing is then like right at the end of the podcast, we see someone crossing the bridge coming towards us being like, oh, like walking across toward

Matt O’Keefe (16:42):

The, if Matt just walked away,

Sevan Matossian (16:47):

Um, uh, OE, when, when you left, um, waap polo, did you have a sense of like, um, relief? Like you found a piece of yourself that you had given to that place?

Matt O’Keefe (16:59):

Yeah. Um,

Sevan Matossian (17:01):

And I don’t mean that with any negative connotation, I, I transition usually opens that kind of stuff. You know,

Matt O’Keefe (17:09):


Sevan Matossian (17:10):

Was a huge part of your life. Right.

Matt O’Keefe (17:11):

Massive. Um, but Y you know, in the positive way, yes. Like, you know, it’s funny, I’ve never, I haven’t really thought of it that way. And it, and I I’ve been saying this, you know, um, I thought that, uh, my, you know, exiting that was gonna be an incredible, uh, sort of, uh, detox. Like I was gonna, you know, I was gonna really struggle with it because I was so attached to it. Um, it’s incredible chaos by the way. And it’s, you know, incredibly rewarding when you, especially when you come out of it. Um, and I’m sure there’ll be some of that when I go back next year, uh, which I will. Um, but yeah, the, the biggest realization is what you’re, you’re identifying. It’s just like, um, I guess when you’re so far in something, I don’t think you realize, you know, really what you’re in sometimes.

Matt O’Keefe (18:01):

And, um, man, like that was not gonna be a sustainable path for me personally. Like, I don’t know who can, um, because I feel like I have a pretty high capacity and, um, I had really gotten comfortable with that role, but, um, yeah, I got, I got, um, I got a lot of good things back and, um, you know, I’m able to really focus on some things that I’m most passionate about now, too. Um, yeah, a little PCU dies because you’ve put a lot of love and, and, and time into something for as long as I did with that. And, um, and it’s such a passionate, cool community, but, um, I’ll be around, like, I’m not, you know, I’ll be back for sure. And I just wanna see it sustain and thrive, you know? Um, but it’s not my role anymore, unfortunately. And fortunately,

Sevan Matossian (18:50):

But I mean, did you, um, this sense of like finding OIF again? I mean, you did, you did, um, what’s it called in the, in the relationship world, you did rebound rather quickly. Um, you didn’t have it, you didn’t do any alone time. You went straight from girl a to girl B, but, um, I bring it up because when I was fired from CrossFit, there was this like, holy, I’m free. Like, like this egg cracking Godzilla stepped out. It was nuts.

Matt O’Keefe (19:21):

You know, I like that analogy, by the

Sevan Matossian (19:23):

Way, that’s I was like, I was like a poly wag that turned into one of those giant toads with teeth

Matt O’Keefe (19:29):


Sevan Matossian (19:29):

They, that they don’t allow. And the, you know, the calves frog, jumping contest. There’s like those giant frogs that eat the other frogs, they don’t let ’em in there. I turned into one of those,

Matt O’Keefe (19:38):

Uh, dude that analogy run right there needs to

Sevan Matossian (19:41):


Matt O’Keefe (19:42):

Put that was insane.

Sevan Matossian (19:44):

Did, did you feel this like, kind of like, like, like you don’t even realize like a, like a breath of fresh air and once again, it’s thing derogatory from where you came from, it’s just, you give and, and, and, and let’s tie it to that sustainable part, you know, like, um, living off of go pack and being the greatest bike rider in the world is not sustainable. Right. Right. I mean, was it like that it was just, you were just burning the candle from both ends

Matt O’Keefe (20:09):


Sevan Matossian (20:09):

You run waza

Matt O’Keefe (20:11):

That, that as a really good way to, to put it is like, you know, it’s not, you know, sort of capacity capability, you know, lacking those things. It’s just, you know, that’s, it, it was just like a, you know, I’m running an ultra marathon 365, you know, 24 7. Um, you know, but, but, but not to say that what I’m doing now, isn’t gonna take, you know, an immense amount of work. I think it’s just, um, you know, I think that, I don’t know exactly how you phrased the question, but I will say that I don’t, um,

Sevan Matossian (20:42):

Like, have you found yourself, like I F like when I let CrossFit, like, I thought it was gonna be different than it was, and it, um, I, I found myself like the pieces that I didn’t even know that I had lost

Matt O’Keefe (20:53):

Well, so that’s kind of it, like, I’m precisely where I should be, like, that is to me, you know, a finding of myself. Right. Like, you know, I think that identification, I knew at water polos, I was leaving, um, this wasn’t an aha moment when that ended, like, you know, um, I knew you

Sevan Matossian (21:11):

Weren’t fired, you walked away on your own.

Matt O’Keefe (21:13):

Correct. You know, I had it, I knew in

Sevan Matossian (21:16):

My, unless you guys made a deal to save face.

Matt O’Keefe (21:22):

Uh, no, that’s not what happened. All

Sevan Matossian (21:24):

Right. Okay. Right. You’re not chairman of the board. Are, are you chairman of the board over there at wa

Matt O’Keefe (21:29):

I don’t know. Not yet. Maybe. Maybe that’s

Matt O’Keefe (21:33):

The, um, but yeah, I think that, that was, um, I think that was like a really big part of this for me was just that’s right. Where I should be. Like, I, I, you know, uh, when Matt asked me, uh, if I would be intro us and, and, or, you know, then you know, him aggressively wanting me to be there, like, it was like, hell yeah. Like this makes perfect sense. Um, so, you know, I think I was sort of at peace going through waap, to be honest with you, cuz I was, you know, I was like, you know, anything that, that deals from a chaos perspective, it was kind of like, all right, like I really want to enjoy this, uh, be present, you know, remember I do a great job by the way, like I, I needed to and wanted to. And then, um, you know, I was just excited about where, where I was, you know, where I’m, where I’m going, where I was going at that time.

Matt O’Keefe (22:23):

So yeah, I think I’ve, I’ve, I’ve, um, particularly in the last couple years, and I’ve said this quite a bit, I have found myself, um, I had a really strong experience with COVID not, not, I never had COVID, but like just being home more and um, you know, being, you know, slowing the pace down, um, being more in control of, you know, what I should be doing and want to be doing, um, and realizing, um, I think get becoming like more comfortable with, um, myself and my own skin too, at the same time. I think we’re always evolving. I mean, man, I’m 44, like I’m mature. I, I still need to mature. You know, I think that, you know, I don’t wanna all, all the way mature, but you know, that, um, that whole being home exp was really good for me. Um, it really,

Sevan Matossian (23:12):

And Matt’s a good example. Matt’s probably a good role model like that. Cuz he’s got a great, um, uh, he’s got the great ability to say off. No, he like, he has that skill. So you could learn that from him. off. No

Matt O’Keefe (23:25):

True. Yeah. I, I have, or you could just

Sevan Matossian (23:28):

off or you could just choose, but he’s really good at that part. Is

Brian Friend (23:31):

That what he, he said to you

Sevan Matossian (23:33):

Stephan? No, he didn’t.

Matt O’Keefe (23:37):

He did not. That’s awesome.

Sevan Matossian (23:39):

But I know, but I, but I have a feeling if I kept pushing him, I might have got that.

Matt O’Keefe (23:43):

No, he, you know, it’s funny. It’s like I lived in this environment with him and I, you know, particularly working with him, you know, he talks about it all the time, this like, it was either like going to help me win the games or not. And that was the decision and it’s so true. Like, I mean, I honestly like it was that black and white around that, you know, our camp for, for whatever eight years, you know? So it was, uh, but he is like that, you know,

Brian Friend (24:09):

Is there, is there, uh, any element or any one question that he has with regards to H w P O like, like what’s the question when he is making decision about that? If it’s this, then we’ll do it. If it’s not, then we won’t.

Matt O’Keefe (24:22):

Oh, you know how what’s our north. Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, a little more, um, there’s a little more to it, but I think it’s, you know, uh, we wanna really run and stretch and spread our wings, but we’re not gonna do it unless we bring people in that know what they’re talking about, that specific topic or subject, which has always sort of been a why and, and how for him. So I think it’s like, you know, Hey, if we wanna like put out a track, a swimming track where we’re gonna bring in a swimmer, like if we’re gonna bring a, you know, strength track, we’re gonna bring in, like, he’s not gonna just, you know, um, wave his name around. I mean, by the way, we, we could transact a ton of business off of just his name and WPO talking about widgets, right? Like we’re not gonna do that. We’re gonna do it. Right. Um, you, we’re not bodybuilders, like we’re gonna bring in a body builder. Like I think it’s super unauthentic to, to put out a bodybuilding program. If you’re not somebody that’s really spent a lot of time and built expertise around that. So like, people are asking for that stuff, but Matt’s like, I don’t know how to do a bodybuilding program. I follow somebody else’s, you know, so that’s it, you know,

Brian Friend (25:27):

My per my perspective on it is, you know, he probably had a ton of opportunity before him. You could probably kind of do whatever he wanted, but when you’re talking about a business, you know, this, that there’s a lot of value in establishing a foundation and building a solid base and then, you know, making decisions about what’s gonna be on top of that. And so it’s a, it’s a strange to situation for him to have to have so many possibilities and then decide which ones do we actually wanna pursue now and which ones maybe wanna put off to later and which ones aren’t in alignment with what we wanna do here.

Matt O’Keefe (25:58):

Yeah. It’s um, I mean, that’s been constant throughout, you know, now it’s just like, you know, he’s more available to be more engaged in some things which opens a lot of doors, but you know, the process hasn’t changed in that. Like, I think we’ve always been super protective of what we associate with in general, particularly math and his brand. Um, so I think, um, it’s fun right now though. Like, I mean, it’s chaos and we’re moving a bunch of people from point a to point B, but, um, you know, we’re having a lot of cool conversations with, you know, people in other sports and, you know, people that want to, you know, platforms that want to partner. So I just, you know, I’m incredibly excited about where this is gonna go. We have a lot of work to do, and it’s like, you know, the challenge is staying focused on, you know, I, we still have a lot of work work to do in CrossFit, you know, like, you know, really doing a great job programming for a large group. And we have a ton of people that follow PO training, um, a ton. So what’s that

Sevan Matossian (26:57):

A ton,

Matt O’Keefe (26:59):

A ton. Yeah, that was, we

Sevan Matossian (27:00):

Have a ton. You said we have a ton of people following each EPO training. I’m emphasizing a ton.

Matt O’Keefe (27:05):

Yeah, it is. It is. Um, it’s SU it’s super cool. And that, um, you know, strong, very, um, aligned community, honestly around, you know, Matt’s ethos. It’s just, it’s it, that’s, what’s really fun. Cuz I think talking about Scott, Scott’s sort of been that same, that, that conversation’s, you know, similar, it’s just, you know, it’s just, you know, Matt, it’s like, you know, show up, do work, you know, um, put in a day and take a step forward and you know, those steps are gonna add up to where we want to be the destination. So, um, I’m excited. We gotta get

Sevan Matossian (27:42):

You’s agent. Are you stalling? His agent too? Has his agent called you and been like, Hey check, check yourself. Or rather check yourself?

Matt O’Keefe (27:50):

No. Yeah. I, I I’ve talked to

Sevan Matossian (27:52):

It’s all puppy chested around you, this agent.

Matt O’Keefe (27:56):

It’s funny. Um, yeah, I, I have, um, I’ve had many conversations with this agent. I think I like where Scott and you know, and I’s relationship is. I mean, if, if I could ever help him, I’d help him in a second. Like I’d just help him through his agent. You know? I think it’s it’s um, I got enough going on. Um,

Sevan Matossian (28:16):

You’re not trying to poach stalling.

Matt O’Keefe (28:19):

I don’t poach anybody.

Sevan Matossian (28:20):

Right. You don’t poach anybody. That’s right. Okay. Ask you. You’re not a poacher. Let me ask question. And this is, um, not a fair question. So be like, Hey, that’s not even a real question.

Matt O’Keefe (28:29):

I love it. I love the start. There we go. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (28:33):

Is it there’s um, when you gamble at a casino,

Matt O’Keefe (28:37):

Am I gonna spit my coffee out? Should I not drink

Sevan Matossian (28:39):

My coffee? No, no, no. You’re not. No, no. You’re not. You can drink away when you, when you gamble. There’s no annuity in this, this question. Um, uh, when you gamble at a casino, there is the, the house plays differently than, than the players. I, I, I think I don’t gamble, but they have rules. Like I think they have to hit on certain cards and, right? Like if like, if you’re playing black check against the house and they get a certain number, they have to hit. So they have rules. They have to play by and you know, those rules, um,

Sevan Matossian (29:08):

There, there were rules in your relationship with Matt when you were his agent and, and now you’re on his team and in one really nasty way, I could word it. This is how I was gonna word it originally. But then I went with the gambling analogy is before you used to make money off of Matt, now you make money with Matt. And that might not even be fair to say, cause I don’t really understand what the, the relationship, obviously it’s not mine, but how have things changed between you and Matt now that you guys you’re not, you’re not two businesses aligned. I mean, outside of your, your, your fantastic friendship, you’re now one business. Is that right? Like something’s your relationship? Personal relationship has to have changed with him a little bit. Right? It’s it’s like when you get married, I don’t know what changes, but something changes. I was with my wife for 15 years and we got married and something changed. I was like, whoa, that was weird.

Matt O’Keefe (29:55):

It is. That is funny to, to say that it, yeah, cuz that is true with.

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