#324 CrossFit Games – Open Week 2 Recap with Angelo DiCicco & Brian Friend

Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Bam. We’re live.

Brian Friend (00:02):


Sevan Matossian (00:05):

Standby. Have you seen this? Uh, yet

Sevan Matossian (00:08):

Caleb. Uh, where are we? Okay.

Sevan Matossian (00:12):

I hit this button and then I go over here to brand. And then I do this.

Brian Friend (00:19):

That’s a sound of a three, six C degree barbell brush by hybrid athletics.

Caleb Beaver (00:24):

Hey, fancy.

Sevan Matossian (00:26):

I bet. Oh, and

Brian Friend (00:28):

I dunno about the 360. I mean, I could see a gap there

Sevan Matossian (00:32):

False. Hey, it’s like all the news. It’s all just a bunch of.

Caleb Beaver (00:37):

Maybe two 70

Sevan Matossian (00:40):

God, Brian. Yeah. That’s Rob Orlando’s fault. I want you to know that that is just a sponsor. We don’t endorse the product, you know, it’s he, he sent me those.

Brian Friend (00:48):

I do endorse the product. You

Sevan Matossian (00:49):

Do? Yeah. That product is good.

Brian Friend (00:51):

It is. That’s the best thing for cleaning barbells I’ve ever used.

Sevan Matossian (00:53):

Well, good. He sent me those. He’s such a good dude. And I’m like, dude, my barbell’s sit in my gym and they’re like the cleanest ones ever. Only my grimy little hands touch. ’em it’s like, geez,

Brian Friend (01:03):

I thought you used them for like 75 pound back squats.

Sevan Matossian (01:07):

Those the, the Barss I do all that, but they never get dirty with the frequency. I use them.

Brian Friend (01:14):

You sold all your plates other than the fifteens, right?

Sevan Matossian (01:16):

No, I kept them, but, but they’re here holding my mic up. They’re no longer for, So no longer for working out. Uh, Angela, thanks for coming on. Um, I think last week you were eating Gatorade, which I didn’t approve. And then I just saw you a cookie, which I don’t approve. I appreciate the consistency. Awesome. You’re good, dude. Caleb will be running the back end today and oh, it’s so much quieter without Caleb. What is Caleb, bro? I Caleb’s probably like growing weed and those are like fans and. The background.

Sevan Matossian (01:43):


Sevan Matossian (01:44):

Speaking of weed. I, I, I, I had a guest that smokes a ton of weed on the show and last time then I had him on the show and um, last time I had him on the show, he was just rolling a huge blunt and I have all these bags of weed. I don’t smoke weed, but now my office just reeks of marijuana. It’s kind of crazy.

Brian Friend (02:01):

This is from your, from your garden.

Sevan Matossian (02:03):

Yeah. This is like from two years ago.

Sevan Matossian (02:05):

I should, what do you with this? You don’t smoke with it.

Sevan Matossian (02:08):

Nothing. I just have bags and bags like this that I just harvested. I don’t know. My, my wife, my wife, my wife bought some big glass jars and um, soaked it in alcohol And then she puts it in spray bottle. And when she, when she has pain, she’s praising on it and she swears by it. A lot of people swear by it.

Sevan Matossian (02:29):

I dunno. I dunno.

Sevan Matossian (02:32):

Uh, 22.2 it’s in the books.

Sevan Matossian (02:36):


Sevan Matossian (02:36):

You guys did it.

Sevan Matossian (02:39):


Sevan Matossian (02:40):

Uh, and, uh, and, and, um, and basically what I’m seeing is, uh, unfortunately when I go to last week, there was this feeling I had that like, none of these shows matter, the open doesn’t matter, you guys were kind of giving me that vibe. And then I see Sarah Sigma’s daughter made a post. Did you guys see that? The open doesn’t matter. Yeah.

Angelo DiCicco (02:58):


Sevan Matossian (02:59):

And I know she’s doing that to take pressure off herself, but it breaks my heart. The open does matter kinda I guess. Right? Yeah. Show me that. Where is that? The open does no matter, she forgot the T, but I, but I, I understand what she means. I understand what she means. Um, Brian, tell us why the open does not matter to Sarah Sigma’s daughter. Like I, I know we haven’t talked to her directly, but, but what’s your guess?

Brian Friend (03:25):

Well, in, in, in the case of Sarah this year, there’s a much bigger, you know, thing at play is she hasn’t had a healthy CrossFit games in a long time. So she needs to, you know, do whatever little mental tricks she can to navigate the season, get to the CrossFit games and hopefully finish it healthy. That’s the, that’s the winning recipe for her, this season. Anything other than that is a loss. So if that means that she needs to make those notes and write those things down to remind herself that this is not the end goal, this is not what I’m training for this year. This is just something that I have to do to get there, then good for her.

Sevan Matossian (03:59):

Yeah. Um, I thought you were gonna give a different reason. Does it matter to Kowski Angelo?

Angelo DiCicco (04:04):

Uh, probably.

Sevan Matossian (04:05):

Have you, have you seen his, have you seen his scores?

Angelo DiCicco (04:07):

Uh, no. I’m just looking in the comments. So I’m guessing he’s still not doing too hot.

Sevan Matossian (04:11):

No, but I, but I, I have to guess it. I was gonna guess it doesn’t matter to him for the same reason. It doesn’t matter to Sarah, meaning they just need to quote, get to the quarter finals.

Angelo DiCicco (04:20):

Yeah. I think, I think that’s very true. And I think did one of you guys mention that, uh, he possibly has a injury he may not be talking about, Was that on or is I talking to somebody else? I think I heard that he possibly might have an injury that he is not talking about. So that could be part of it. So maybe he is just doing them once kind of giving it his best for right now. And then just, uh, I guess moving on

Sevan Matossian (04:46):


Brian Friend (04:46):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The, I mean the big picture thing is that, uh, for, for the athletes of this caliber is they only need to finish in the top 10%. So, uh, you know, there are, I guess a small number of people who are maybe chasing the CAEs at the top of the leaderboard, but the rest of ’em are just, I think for the most part doing this either on Thursday evening or Friday morning, and it’s basically just part of their training for the day. Um, and then they just move on and don’t think anymore about it. And that’s what, you know, most of those guys should be doing and girls should be doing.

Sevan Matossian (05:18):

Uh, it says Michael Fitzgerald is FOW key’s coach. Um, does that mean, um, is he an OPEX guy, Michael Fitzgerald?

Brian Friend (05:25):

That, that doesn’t mean coach. That just means that the guy who judged him for that workout. Right. And, uh, yes. Thank you. I think he’s, I don’t think he’s, I don’t know if it’s, I think he’s still with O P T in Canada that like, that’s the company in Canada, that’s doing performance training. He took it over for James when James moved to the us and started, uh, OPEX.

Sevan Matossian (05:44):

Okay. And Brent’s one of those guys,

Brian Friend (05:46):

I don’t know that he might have just got, he might have just done that workout at whatever, wherever Michael is,

Sevan Matossian (05:53):

The hardest I’ve ever seen anyone push on a workout was Michael Fitzgerald by the way. And you can see that. Yes, yes, it is true. It is true. Ah, and, and not pass out, sorry. And not pass out. I’ve seen some people push so hard that they just like, like we saw Jason Kalifa just faint. And we saw, um, we saw that other girl do the, the Ford summer. So she cross finish line, but he did in 2009 against Miko solo. And it was nuts. He was like, he was screaming and agony. It, it was, it was crazy. It was, uh, he, he, that guy, that guy, that guy knows how to push. Um, are those numbers concerning for you about Fauci? Like he could possibly not make the quarter finals?

Brian Friend (06:34):

No, no,

Sevan Matossian (06:34):


Brian Friend (06:35):

I think that showed that he was in 1700th worldwide. And I think currently you have to be like within the top 7,000 something in north America and he’s in the top 2000 worldwide, so it’s not, not even close.

Sevan Matossian (06:50):

Okay. Uh, so let’s talk about the first thing that just stood out, like a sore thumb to me. And I guessing it stood out like a sore thumb to you guys, um, is the, the rules. There were, um, there were rules on the website and, uh, Brian, you and I briefly talked about this during the week. And then there were rules on the Instagram page. I personally found them contradictory. And the reason why I found them contradictory is I think one of the definitive qualities of stepping or walking is, is that one of your feet is on the ground at the same time. And I tell, or one of your feet is always on the ground when you’re walking, always never, both your feet in the air. And then the, the distinction between walking and jumping is, is when there’s a moment in time, no matter how small, where both your feet are in the air at the same time. And you cannot do that. If you’re walking, you cannot, it’s no longer walking. So the bottom left is my definitions.

Brian Friend (07:37):

Yeah. The bottom left here, we see the athlete jumping over the bar. These are the rules that we’re really talking about. The bullet points underneath that. And if you re read these rules, which is what I did on Thursday, because for the, as long as I’ve been doing the open CrossFit has always said during the live announcements, make sure that you read the movement standards that are on this document, adjacent with the scorecard before doing the workout, to make sure that you’re adhering to them, cuz you don’t wanna have to redo the workout because you didn’t read the rules. And, and that has basic has always been their instruction. So I always do that. So I read these rules and I, and as we see here, we can go through the math must clearly jump over the Barb belt. Both feet must be off the ground as the athlete passes over the bar.

Brian Friend (08:18):

So this is a gray area right here. That to your point, both feet off the ground implies a jump. As the athlete passes over the bar. I don’t know what that means. Does that mean the center of the athlete? Any part of the athlete, the entire athlete is unknown. Stepping over is not permitted fine. You do not need to use a two foot foot takeoff, fine scale divisions can step fine and touching the bar as a no, we’ve always known that. So I made this little video on Thursday and I, and I had a friend of mine film it and I slowed it down and it’s a style of burpy. I would never would never and have never done before. And I took these still frames of it. And here you can see one of ’em and then to the right is even a better one. Uh,

Sevan Matossian (08:56):

Uh, that’s legit. That’s legit. According to the rules, by the way, right there. Yes,

Brian Friend (09:00):

You can. See’s that the athlete’s body is passing over the bar with both feet off the ground. So it checks all the boxes of the written rules. Yes. Now, if you show, if you watch the video, you can see that this is a, you know what I would consider an egregious attempt to, uh, cheat the rules. Like this is not, I would not consider this a burpy or jumping over the bar burpy in any other year or any other instance.

Sevan Matossian (09:24):

But, but according to those rules, it is.

Brian Friend (09:26):

But according to the rules I wanted to see, can I do this little sneaky, whatever thing and check the boxes. And that’s what I did. Um,

Sevan Matossian (09:34):

I’d like to hear Angie Angela’s opinion on this real quick, Angela, are you, are you seeing, are you reading those rules? Exactly like Brian and I did.

Angelo DiCicco (09:40):

Uh, yeah, so I read them and Brian and I actually, or actually I texted him, uh, and said based on the video that Boz put out that that would be a no rep, but based on the, what they wri, what is written there, it is a good rep. So, but what he’s says is it clearly needs to be a jump. It cannot be like this little, I forget how he phrased it. Like this little half step jump thing. Like it has to be clearly a jump I’m like, but that leaves a lot.

Brian Friend (10:05):

Yeah. And if we could listen to what he says, maybe we should listen to this. Cuz there’s one thing in particularly says that really bothers me.

Speaker 7 (10:13):

We we’re doing burpees over the bar. This year’s standard is the same standard as the athletes used during last year’s online semi-final events. And so what that means is that there is no two foot takeoff requirement. This allows athletes to move a lot faster through the workout. However, you have to know that even though there’s not a two foot takeoff requirement, you have to jump over the bar. You cannot step over the bar. So if you’re trying to do a little faker half step, that ends with a little jump to try to meet the letter of the law, that’s not going to count. It still has to clearly be a jump over the bar. We’ve just relaxed. The two foot takeoff standard have fun with this one.

Angelo DiCicco (10:55):

See what, in my opinion, that is clearly a J um, he’s clearly jumping off one foot. I mean, I, I think so. I mean, it is kind of a step jump, but it means he’s jumping off one foot.

Sevan Matossian (11:04):

It’s in the jump world. This makes me so uncomfortable too. Cuz Adrian’s one of my best friends in the world. Can we make this segment fast? I don’t want to tear him up. No,

Brian Friend (11:11):


Angelo DiCicco (11:11):

tear up either the

Sevan Matossian (11:13):

Problem to,

Brian Friend (11:14):

To me the, the problem with what he said right there is if trying to do this, to meet the letter of the law, you’re still wrong. It still doesn’t count. And, and it’s like, okay that, oh none, no one would wanna have a set of written laws that if you are behaving within the boundaries of the laws, you could still get penalized for your actions in, in, in regular life. Uh, you can’t steal anything, but if you do steal something and it’s kind of like this, then maybe it’s okay,

Sevan Matossian (11:43):

Well in Santa Cruz, if it’s less than 950 bucks, it’s okay. Yeah. Seriously, I’m not joking. There you go. All society’s going to. That’s what I mean. So that’s the that.

Brian Friend (11:54):

And so that was weird to me that he actually was there any said that with, if you’re trying to do this within the letter of the law, it still doesn’t count. That was where the gray area came up. And I, I, I had conversations with some people who have been doing open workouts for eight, nine or 10 years. And, and they said after the workout, they go, honestly, for the first time in the 10, nine years I’ve been doing the CrossFit open. I actually didn’t know if I was meeting the standard during the workout or not. And that were there any, is a problem.

Sevan Matossian (12:21):

Were there any contentious videos has any I’m I’m guessing what they did when they saw they up. They’re like, okay, everything’s good on this. Don’t judge anyone harshly.

Brian Friend (12:29):

Well, I, well, I mean, the crazy thing was, and I, and I posted this on Thursday as well as, you know, someone immediately recalled Karin’s video from the semifinals last year and, and that, you know, she received a penalty for that. And it was a huge topic of conversation. And I, I reposted that person’s thing and said, I think this is why they’ve, they’ve changed this rule because I’m not just trying to, to point out a problem here, but I’m also trying, trying to understand why have they done this? And we saw that, you know, Karon and our team over there last year, read the rules. Cuz as he said in his video, it’s the same standards from last year’s semifinals. So they read the rules. Like I read the rules and then they probably made a little video and tested it. Yep. They over the bar, both feet are off the ground.

Brian Friend (13:11):

That’s a good rep and Soro. It was like, no that’s, you know, in, in their mind they’re probably like, what the? That’s not what we meant. You guys are trying to cheat the rules and skirt your way around it. And someone’s a lot of people DM me, no high level athlete would ever try to do this. Well, we have a two time fittest woman on earth who did this six months ago. So if you know, that’s not a valid argument. And then I posted that thing and within one minute of each other, that one person messaged me, DM, that’s a jump over. And the other one said, that’s a step over two different people that don’t know each other at all.

Sevan Matossian (13:43):

So many people sent me that video catcher and they’re like, look at this and I couldn’t figure out what they were trying to show me. I didn’t see anything wrong with what she did. I want to, I’d like to roast her over the Kohls. I thought her performance was insane. I thought she’d kill. What did she do wrong in that video? What was she penalized for?

Brian Friend (14:00):

Uh, the basically video. This is you’re talking about from semifinals last year, right?

Sevan Matossian (14:04):

Yeah, yeah.

Brian Friend (14:05):

Yeah. So basically for the thing that, that Adrian just explained is that she was trying to do the least possible standard to meet the letter of the law, which you should not be penalized for that time possible. You should not. If you’ve written it one way and the athlete finds a way to do it, you should not penalize ’em for your lack of foresight in, in realizing that someone might try this you on, on the flip side, what you could say is this is not what we intended. We won’t be allowing this in the future, but because we didn’t specify a forehand, this video stands.

Sevan Matossian (14:35):

Yep. I agree. I agree. Did, did they have they addressed this with all the complaints and all and I mean, it’s an obvious, it’s such an obvious mistake.

Brian Friend (14:43):

They added a video to the, uh, app. At some point

Sevan Matossian (14:46):

They edited

Brian Friend (14:47):

It. No, they added it. It wasn’t on there. And then it was on there and you could see the, the burpy, you know, it says, check this video for the burpy standards never before. And I wrote this also that night. I said, look, I could have watched the open announcement, turned it off, read the scorecard, done the workout. Using those burpees, checked my own video, took the still shots realized. Yep. These are good reps. I’m off the ground. And over the bar and submitted and moved down with my life and submitted my score. And I would’ve been cheating without knowing it basically

Sevan Matossian (15:16):

It’s nuts. Yeah. It’s nuts.

Brian Friend (15:19):

It’s and because of the way that the rules were written this year to make, make it more, uh, inclusive for people to participate, I could have done that in the presence of someone who’s a registered judge with no video and no one would ever know.

Sevan Matossian (15:32):

Um, another thing is, is that CrossFit is about definitions. One of the things that I like to make, what are, what are we looking at? This one

Angelo DiCicco (15:40):

I’ve never seen this. This is, I mean, it’s, you’re right. It’s, that’s a good wrap. It should be.

Brian Friend (15:46):

And there were, and I saw a lot of people doing burpees, just like this. And here’s the other thing. I had no idea how to brief this in my,

Sevan Matossian (15:53):

Yeah. Her

Brian Friend (15:54):

Good. People ask me all kinds of questions and I’m like, I, I think that’s good. I didn’t, I it’s a it’s the first time I really haven’t known what was a good rep and was a bad rep.

Sevan Matossian (16:03):

Let me ask you this too. If there, if this, why does this, why does this clarification matter? Does it matter? Because we’re trying to crown the FITT. And at the end of the day, you give $4,000 or $300,000 and that this is about making it legitimate. Like what, why does it matter? Like, like what if the response from HQs is like, Hey, just use common sense. Don’t be a dip.

Brian Friend (16:24):

Well, that’s what I ultimately tried to communicate was, you know, I’m not gonna be doing burpees like that. Do burpees over the bar, how you’ve always done burpees over the bar. The last, what happened was last, uh, two years ago in the open Emma McQuaid. And I think it was 20.1 or 21.1, whatever it was, she did the ground to overhead and burpees over the bar and she set the world record on the, on the workout. People weren’t as familiar with her then. And of course, if you have the world record time, everyone’s gonna be scrutinizing your video. And people are like free is framing in and zooming, zooming, zooming in and showing, oh no, her toe’s still on the ground. This is the two foot take off, not a two foot takeoff. And it’s like, oh my God, like you can, you know, and on the flip side of that, you can go all the way back to

Sevan Matossian (17:04):


Sevan Matossian (17:04):

Is this? Oh, disclaimer. I’m in no way implying that the athlete purposely tried to gain an advantage. The rule state that a two foot takeoff must be used more than five. No reps should invoke a 15% penalty Who wrote that up? Who wrote that on there?

Brian Friend (17:20):

I’m not sure. It looks like, I don’t know who’s in who’s uh, YouTube account. This is, but here you can see, oh, you know, people are slowing this down to show

Sevan Matossian (17:28):

Was the rule of two foot takeoff that year.

Brian Friend (17:31):


Sevan Matossian (17:33):

Yeah. Unfortunately like I, I see what maybe Adrian it to do, but you can’t do it when you have 300 or 400,000 or 200,000 whatever. They got people doing the same event. Like there has to be distinction between jumping and not jumping. Do we all agree on that?

Brian Friend (17:49):

Yeah. I mean, there’s a lack of definitions basically was the problem. But, but this is a larger scale problem with CrossFit that the, if three has tried to eradicate is there are no rules. Like the rules are constantly changing and the standards for movements are constantly changing. And there’s the opportunity for people to, for CrossFit to insert new movements that have never been seen were in competition like that one year with the, uh, or new standards, even like the double ketlebell push press and second cut. The standard on that was terrible. And everyone was getting no reps. The judges clearly didn’t know what to do. The athletes didn’t know what was a good rep or was a bad rep. And it’s like, why, why are you in, why do you not just have a rule book for the year? These are the movements in play. These are the standards for him. And you should be prepared for ’em judges and you should be prepared for them athletes and you should be prepared for them. Coaches.

Sevan Matossian (18:34):

I’s a good bare minimum. That’s a good bare minimum.

Brian Friend (18:36):

Instead they just pop these thing. And the, if three is a total opposite, they have a very specific and set number of movements that can be there. And they’re defined as what’s allowed and what’s not allowed for each movement so that they don’t have these problems come up regularly.

Sevan Matossian (18:48):

Well then if they that, then they wouldn’t be able to rig the events and the games for rich and Matt to win because that’s how CrossFit makes all its money by just making sure that those two guys won all the time. So that would that up. If anyone thinks I’m serious, you’re outta your mind. I’m completely joking. You should see the emails we used to get at HQ. People thinking that we know you R it because you guys make a ton of money off of rich and Matt every year someone said that,

Angelo DiCicco (19:12):

Oh, I. A lot.

Sevan Matossian (19:13):

Punch your punch your face. Okay. Uh, so were there any controversies, Brian, was there, were there any big names or was there anything besides the fact that it gives us something to talk about for, uh, 19 minutes? Was there anything,

Brian Friend (19:24):

There was one other thing about the rules that struck me as, um, curious, and it was with regards to the deadlift and, uh, and Angela May know, or you might know this, uh, I didn’t go back and do any research, but in the past, I always seem to remember there being a clause about bouncing the bar. You cannot bounce the bar on a deadlift guys. Does that sound familiar as something that’s always a part of deadlift rules.

Angelo DiCicco (19:46):

Yeah. You can’t have your, you can’t let your arms bend on the way down. Yeah,

Brian Friend (19:49):

Yeah, no, no. Bouncing the bar on deadlift. It’s like 1 0 1. If you’re having a competition and deadlifts are involved, you brief that to the athletes. Yeah. And I don’t see it written here. Oh yeah. For the first time that I can remember in, in when there’s been deadlifts and open, I didn’t see any, no bouncing of the bar there and I could be wrong. I didn’t go back and check all of ’em, but it seems strange to me. And then I had a couple people ask me if I watched Tia’s video and specifically her deadlifts. And they said, you gotta check this out because she’s, it looks like she’s intentionally having the barbell hit at different times on the ground so that it bounces right back up easily. And I was like, oh, that’s kinda, let me see what it is. So we gotta see her deadlift and you can see that she’s bouncing one side first, then the other side and it, and it’s coming back up like that.

Sevan Matossian (20:38):

Oh, I don’t think she likes that. I don’t think she likes that. Do you like that? When that happens to you? I hate that. No.

Brian Friend (20:43):

Yeah. I hate that. It’s every, it’s every deadlift rep.

Sevan Matossian (20:45):

Yeah. So you’re saying, you’re saying she fix it that if it was, if she really hated it, why didn’t she fix it?

Brian Friend (20:50):

And what I was trying to see was if everyone, cuz she obviously doing with a bunch of people was doing this, I think that’s Brooke just behind her to the left. Yeah. So I was trying to see if she was doing it or the guy behind her. And it was maybe a tactic that proven was, was trying to, uh, you know, implement here because there wasn’t a no bouncing rule. But um, I don’t know. There was just another strange omission in this case, from the rules for this workout for me. And she’s, I mean, look, it’s every rep, like it seems like there’s, you’re not doing this on purpose. She has best body and motor control of anyone in the sport. If

Sevan Matossian (21:19):

A good point

Angelo DiCicco (21:19):

Back, if you go back and watch, uh, Matt and stage one, uh, he does the same thing and I didn’t know if it was on purpose or not. So I, the, um, what is it? The deadlift handstand pushup workout. He does the same thing with three. I’m not sure if he did on purpose either. I, I, I thought it was just on accident.

Sevan Matossian (21:36):

Fraser does that DK D DK D wow. Wow. I hate that one. That game. I hate it.

Angelo DiCicco (21:44):

Whack. Like that happens.

Brian Friend (21:45):

I even like when I, when I coach classes, anyone doing any kind of deadlift, whether it’s Sumo deadlift type pool or conventional deadlift or anything, I always tell people practice to make sure that doesn’t happen.

Sevan Matossian (21:56):

What’s that dude wearing on his face next to him?

Angelo DiCicco (22:00):

Some kind of air filter.

Brian Friend (22:01):

Yeah. He is doing it exactly right here. And we know that they obviously trained together for a while. Maybe they,

Angelo DiCicco (22:08):

Oh, no, she’s not there. She can’t be there. Right.

Sevan Matossian (22:10):

What year is this?

Brian Friend (22:11):

She could have been there for that. They were, yeah. They, because they weren’t. Yeah, she could be there. They just couldn’t do it at the same time. Good.

Sevan Matossian (22:16):

Caleb you’re beast. How did Caleb, did you tell Caleb to have that ready, Angela?

Angelo DiCicco (22:21):

No, that was quick.

Sevan Matossian (22:23):

Yeah, that was so quick. Hey, I’m with Brian. I’m with Brian. Do we know how to do polls in the there’s no way that’s on accident for Tia and Matt. You’re right. That was stupid. That I said that there’s no way that one of us stupid the poll either I’m stupid or they’re stupid for doing that.

Brian Friend (22:38):

Let’s make that the fool.

Sevan Matossian (22:39):

Yeah. Who’s done Matt and Tia or Chevon because, cause there’s no way in hell. Uh that’s on accident. Uh, and she, and she won that work out fastest time in the world. Huh? Outta men or women.

Brian Friend (22:51):

Yeah. Yeah. We’ll get to that in a minute. Um, the other thing I wanted to say about this, this workout, um, so when it first came out on Thursday, I was really confused because I’m like, so for second week in a row, we’re pressing our bodies off the ground. We’re pulling away from the floor and we’re jumping over an object. Like, come on, you have three, How redundant can you be?

Angelo DiCicco (23:15):

I was told directly by more than one person that I need to, that I needed to address that as well. So I’m glad you did, but yeah. It’s so the stimulus is so similar as last week.

Sevan Matossian (23:26):

So, so tell me what last week’s workout is. Again, it was the, it was the wall walk,

Angelo DiCicco (23:30):

Dumbbell, snatches, and box jump overs with this mandatory step down.

Sevan Matossian (23:35):

Okay. So I, so, so the, so the jump over, we, we understand what that is, right?

Brian Friend (23:41):

Jumping over a box or jumping over

Sevan Matossian (23:43):

A bar, jumping over a bar. Okay. And what, what is the wall walk,

Brian Friend (23:46):

Pressing your body off the floor? Just like it’s the same. It’s like almost the same move as a burpee, the first part of a burpee or coming off the ground of a burp.

Angelo DiCicco (23:53):

Very similar.

Sevan Matossian (23:54):

Okay. And the snatch

Brian Friend (23:55):

You’re pulling away from the floor on deadlift. You’re pulling away from the floor.

Sevan Matossian (23:59):


Brian Friend (24:00):

So it looks really strange that you would have two workouts in two at, for successive weeks when there’s only three weeks that are involving those three things. Obviously there were, there were differences in the workouts too, and you don’t have to look any further than me who was like 8,000 on one of them and 30 thousands on another one. So they were there clearly were other things, you know, in play here, but this, it just seemed in the, from a programming point of view, when you have so few tests that you’re gonna administer,

Sevan Matossian (24:31):

Um, Angelo, what, what do you think? Like, I, I know intellectually what Brian is saying sounds spot on and accurate. Do you care? Does it bother you? Do you think it’s bad programming?

Angelo DiCicco (24:41):

I think it’s lazy. It looked lazy when it came out. And I think a lot of people, um, I train with agree with me that it was the workout in itself is so similar. Like Brian was saying the push pull or the push off the ground, the pull off the ground. And then the jump is so similar that, uh, the stimulus is, I mean the very similar, like, I mean the movements are different, but the stimulus is the same. Uh, I was told by guy who’s smarter than me, that he thinks that these workouts are the exact same thing. He goes, these two workouts are the,

Sevan Matossian (25:15):

I’m gonna text him right now and find out if he really said that it wasn’t this guy. Right?

Angelo DiCicco (25:21):

No, it wasn’t that guy.

Sevan Matossian (25:22):

If he took this guy out and just left the American flag though, he we’d be close. Right.

Angelo DiCicco (25:26):

Probably very close.

Sevan Matossian (25:27):

Yeah. It’s okay. I think I know what you’re talking about. It’s good. Good. I appreciate you keeping your sources secret. Uh, Brian, Brian. Um, and, and so you made your case intellectually, do you, and, and you are very high level coach. I’ve only heard the best about your coaching. Um, do you not like this for your, um, the, me, the members at your gym also?

Brian Friend (25:46):

Uh, I mean, I, I don’t, I don’t necessarily mind it as a, as a workout on its own. It’s very challenging. I mean, we don’t pro we were not, we’re not gonna program a hundred deadlifts at that weight for members of our gym ever, probably. Um, but you know, most people aren’t doing a hundred deadlifts in this workout. They’re doing somewhere between 50 and 70 deadly lifts. And, you know, it’s, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people who can have the capacity to do, you know, five or seven sets of 10 at one at, uh, 2 25, 1 55. But, um, it, you know, so in isolation, the workouts ch you know, challenging and it’s, uh, you know, it’s the thing that’s very different about it. I think from last week is last, the rounds are all the, all the same. So you could settle into a rhythm and just kinda keep going this week. Basically once you get to either the set of eight or nine going up, that’s when the workout starts. And so it’s very easy and very common. I’m sure. I mean, it happened to me, uh, that, you know, you just MIS pasted those first six or seven rounds. Not, not realizing what’s gonna happen when you get to around 9, 10, 9. And so it’s, you know, from a strategy pacing execution standpoint, I think it’s very different from last week.

Sevan Matossian (26:57):

Yeah. All right. Um, I’d like to make some, um, critiques of, um, are we to know with that subject? I, I think, I think we explained it very well.

Brian Friend (27:05):

Sure. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (27:07):

Um, uh, I’d like to make some critiques of, of 22.2 from what I saw of it. Um, the, uh, uh, I’d like to start with, uh, uh, Derrick for shirt. Uh,

Brian Friend (27:18):

Oh, you’re talking about the actual live announcement, not the

Sevan Matossian (27:20):

Work. I really like Derek. I think he’s fantastic. Think his shirt was too small and I think it was making him uncomfortable and he was like, moving around awkward and that like, like, and he’s yoed and has a beautiful body just make his shirt a little bit bigger. Like his, it just make Derek, excuse me. Just make Derek’s shirt a little bit bigger. Uh, there was some promotion. Um, uh, we talked about the rules already. There was some ocean building up to the games. Can you put a link, um, to that, uh, the, the come fetish post that CrossFit games made. This is very bizarre. I wanna sh I wanna show you guys something, this is a post they made and look at. It says, come fetish. And I looked up the definition of common its it’s what you think it is. It’s it’s male.

Sevan Matossian (28:03):

There is, is this push for, I know Brian’s like, there’s no way that can be true. Chevon doctored it. No, that’s true. Um, and the song talks about coming too. And I, I know you guys want to be edgy. I know you wanna be edgy. You had Danielle Brandon do the force flip off the week before, you know, you don’t need to ask her to do that, by the way, she’ll just do that. You don’t need to force the flip off from Danielle, Brandon, you don’t to choose the come fetish song. All you need to do is tell the truth. The truth is really edgy. That masks don’t work. That if you stop eating, uh, added sugar and refined carbohydrates, there’s no chance of you dying from COVID. You can just tell the truth that every single affiliate is a life raft and the, the sickness of chronic disease that the world is experiencing right now. You guys can just tell the truth and you’ll be so far edgy. You will be so edgy. You don’t need to use come fetish. This is a family. This, this is you guys are not the Seon podcast. You guys are a family organization. That’s supposed to be showing the whole world how to get healthy. So, so don’t, what’s the,

Angelo DiCicco (28:57):

What’s the video associated with this?

Sevan Matossian (28:59):

I, I it’s, it’s a LA it’s a lady in a cool, I like that. Lady’s, um, outfit it’s it gives me that tars and strong woman, 1950s effect. I dig her, but like, like I, and I don’t and is as crazy and wild as I am. I don’t want the CU Fetter song with my, um, with my wife or daughter, girlfriend, or sister playing either. But I, but I, but maybe that lady’s cool with it. I don’t know. I’m not judging her. It’s just not, it’s not CrossFit games stuff, guys. Okay. Um, the Derek, these are all easy fixes. Um, let’s see. Uh, I like, uh, I like the, the, the, the athletes they chose. That was good. Um, oh, uh, we talked about, uh, for Kowski, uh, position. I wanna talk about one more thing before we jump into 22.2, um, Samuel quant, what’s go, what’s going on O over there, him, um, a little off subject, but it is weird that it’s happening right in the middle of the open that he’s leaving. The great Ben Bergeron, what what’s going on here. And, and Angela, I’d like to hear your opinion on after Brian tells us what he knows about this.

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