#322 – Cody Durden

Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Bam we’re live. I like the way you looked up at the camera. Like what? Huh? Hey, Hey. Hi, I’m Steve beaver. How are you? Admission admission of my addiction is the first is the first admission of my addiction is the first step to getting healthy. I am addicted

Caleb Beaver (00:25):

Too. Hi, Caleb

Sevan Matossian (00:27):

Interviewing fighters. Cody D hi brother.

Cody Durden (00:30):

What’s up going?

Sevan Matossian (00:32):

Good to see you. It’s cool. I, I watched so many videos with you in the last couple days, getting up on my, on my Cody Durden, uh, interviews. And, uh, I just, I was like, God, I hope the belts are in the background when I interview ’em too.

Cody Durden (00:43):

Yeah, man. This small little spot, you know, I don’t have podcast studio, but you know, never know I might have one in the future.

Sevan Matossian (00:50):

You’re getting there. Yes, sir. You’re the man, dude. I, I, I really appreciate you doing this. Um, there are, uh, I’ve been fortunate that the UFC’s got a lot of cool athletes who, who respond and I realize that you guys are professional athletes and, um, that, uh, you guys are busy and that there’s like a hierarchy to like the you have to do. And I had to stay on you a little bit to get you to come on and it’s worth it. And, and I’m, and I’m really excited for your upcoming fight. And I, I just think you’re an all around the more and more I watch your podcast and your interviews. And I see like what a great family man, you are the more and more I respect you. You’re just a good dude.

Cody Durden (01:26):

I appreciate it, man. Yeah, I get, I get, uh, there’s gotta be 75 to a hundred different people asking me, uh, for interviews, uh, a month. So it’s like a bit overwhelming, you know, you can’t do ’em all. So you pick and choose and the ones that are more consistent, the ones that they get ’em.

Sevan Matossian (01:46):

Yeah. And, and it’s like that it’s it’s, it’s funny. It’s like that with a lot of the guys I had, um, uh, oh, C beaver. Oh, by the way, this is Caleb down here.

Cody Durden (01:55):

What’s all

Sevan Matossian (01:55):

Caleb, Caleb, Cody. Oh yeah. Thanks for ma muting yourself. And his initials are, you know, his first name’s Caleb and his last name is beaver. So I just like calling him C beaver, just, it, it touches the little kid in me, like yeah. E beaver. Um, you popped up on my radar. Uh, I, I watched the UFC every Saturday. It’s my, um, it’s my guilty, uh, pleasure. But then I’ve incorporated into doing my podcast. I’m like, well, if I’m gonna watch the UFC, I’m not only gonna, I’m gonna interview all the regular people I interview, but I’m also gonna interview you UFC fighters. I’m gonna make my life, you know, like every tight. Right, right. Like everything pushing, pushing forward. And I can’t, I, um, I, I can’t, I can’t waste any time. Everything has to be towards pushing towards the goal, whatever that goal is to make the podcast better.

Sevan Matossian (02:42):

And, um, one of the, one of the topics about my podcast, uh, very frequently is, um, you know, I’m a, I’m a, I’m a, uh, for, I was raised in birth, California is a tree, uh, tree hug and hippie. And I still have a lot of those components in me. But as things started getting more and more weird, and I saw a country that was willing to use racism to they would, they would, they would use racism to fight racism. And I know in the end of the day, there’s the, the winner’s racist. And, and I was RA, you know, I voted for Hillary and Obama and I was seeing just all this negative about Trump over and over and over. And I started hearing that he was racist towards Mexican. So I went and looked up everything I could about this guy. I never saw one racist thing. He said, he said, Mexico’s sending over their, their worst people. I’m like, that’s not racist. Then, then I heard John Oliver say that he’s racist. Cuz he said, Obama was from a love Obama. But he said Obama was from Kenya or a Muslim. And they, and they they’re saying that’s racist. That’s not racist. That is not racist at all.

Cody Durden (03:42):


Sevan Matossian (03:43):

And I saw your comment. You’re probably tired of talking about it, but I saw your comment. Uh, I watched the fight and you said, I sent this guy packing back to China and, and, and, and I was so disappointed at Daniel that he walked away from you. I was so disappointed in these fighters because when you think that that’s race, you think that because you are racist, Cody could have said, I sent this dude packing back to Miami. I sent this dude packing back to Israel. Oh, you would’ve thought that was racist because you’re sensitive about Chinese Jews and black people. I sent this packing back to Africa. But if you would’ve said, I sent this packing back to Sweden. It wouldn’t be racist. And the reason why you people out there think it’s racist is because you are racist against Jews and black people and Chinese people.

Sevan Matossian (04:28):

You’re projecting what you think on to Cody Durden. I see it every day. I’m walking down the street the other day on a highway old highway and a dude’s walking towards me and the dude crosses the street. And on the other side, there’s no sidewalk. It’s dangerous as. Right? Right. I didn’t think this crossed because I looked like Osama bin Laden. I thought he, I didn’t even get, I was concerned about him. Ironically. It was a black guy. And if I would’ve crossed the street, someone, he could have thought that I was racist. Maybe I am racist. Maybe I’m not. But the truth is that’s between his head. And he would have to check that onto me. And why would he think that? Because he holds racist ideology in his head. And I, when I saw that you were, I saw these people calling you out people. I like John McCarthy. I, so he outed himself. He’s a racist, uh, Beel Muhammad, RA racist, um, a case O’Neil race, Daniel, uh, ju marque, Jamal hill racist. Didn’t Thomas. I didn’t, you’re RA you outed yourself by thinking what this guy did is racist. You outed yourself as racist,

Cody Durden (05:32):


Sevan Matossian (05:32):

Know? And I saw it and I just lost my mind. I’m like, dude, these people. And that’s why I can’t be a Democrat anymore. I’m sorry. I got, I can’t, I’m not a racist. And I got three ju boys, my wife’s Jewish. Like I can’t, I can do the racist thing. Sorry, go ahead. I know I’m supposed to be interviewing you and I’m just leveraging you to just drive like the truth home.

Cody Durden (05:50):

Yeah, exactly. Man, these, these people don’t don’t even know me. They don’t know my life. They don’t know where I was raised. They don’t know where I’m from. Uh, all they hear is this, this country accent that I have and that I adopted from my family. Uh, you know, it, it, so I’m a, I’m a hillbilly hook, all this stuff. Well, you know, they don’t even

Sevan Matossian (06:10):

Hardly, they should watch some of your interviews, hardly you’re gentleman. You’re a wise man. And you’re a family man. If, if there were more people like you, we wouldn’t have to worry about racism.

Cody Durden (06:21):

Yeah. It’s, it’s, uh, it’s, it’s quite funny, you know, a lot of people judge and stuff and, and they, they don’t know my backstory. They, they don’t know that, you know, I’m friends with people of all races, you know? Uh, so I have a, I have a pretty big house and uh, I rent the out and, you know, I rented the basement out to one of my gym teammates, uh, for three years and he’s Hispanic. And then he moved out about a year ago, a little over a year ago. And uh, I had another teammate, he needed a hand. And, uh, you know, he, he lived about an hour from the gym and I was like, man, you know, uh, just, just moving the basement and you know, I I’ll do what I can to help you because I believe in you because I see the hard work you put in hours every day, traveling back and forth, uh, you know, an hour there, hour back twice a day. I was like, bro, just, just move in the basement. And he’s a, and he’s, he’s a black guy, so

Sevan Matossian (07:13):

Let’s get a couple Jews in there please. I, my wife’s Jewish. Can you get a couple of Jews in there next? You had Hispanic, black. I think you’re racist against Jews cuz you haven’t had any Jews in there yet.

Cody Durden (07:21):

Well, Hey, my 57 years old, his name’s Dr. Felton, you can do your history. Look up, look up Dr. Steven Felton. He’s a Jewish man.

Sevan Matossian (07:33):

Everyone needs a good Jewish doctor in their life

Cody Durden (07:35):

Corner. He’s been in my corner, man. Since, since I turned, I mean, he’s the one that gave me $600 and was like, Hey, go find a good gym and get started at MMA. If that’s really what you wanted to do. And you know, he’s the one that, that he’s, he’s a Jewish guy. And he’s the reason why I started fighting, you know,

Sevan Matossian (07:52):

Check the boxes. You got a gay dude in your, in, you got a gay dude at the gym. You need one of those. No, Caleb, Caleb’s a gay dude to he’ll go, he’ll go in your gym.

Cody Durden (08:01):

I don’t, I don’t, I don’t really,

Sevan Matossian (08:03):

You don’t know. And you don’t give a.

Cody Durden (08:06):

Yeah. Oh I mean women. Yeah. I mean, I, I have some gay women friends, but

Sevan Matossian (08:12):

What’s up, what’s up with fight. What’s up with fight. What’s it’s interesting. Um, uh, I don’t wanna go off in that direction yet. Cause I wanna, I wanna find out about, about your youth, but I really wanted to drive that home. I completely understand the mechanism of racism, the mechanism of racism. When you call someone else racist, it’s because you’re afraid. We’re about to spot that you’re a racist. Like I get it, I get it. You had to make the leap of him. Sending, send that guy back to China. You were offended by it. And instead of look inward and finding out why you were offended, you projected your hatred on to Cody and it’s unacceptable. You people who do that, you are the creators purveyors of racism. You create it with your offended and then, and then you spread it by telling everyone they should be offended and you make them feel guilty and it’s not.

Sevan Matossian (08:59):

And the truth is those people. I name Casey O’Neil bell Mohamed, Julian Marquez, Jamal hill den, Thomas, Jeff Molina, Jared Gordon. You’re the worst. I still like you, even though you are racist, I’m not even mad at you. I get it being racist sucks. It’s a miserable existence. You have to do like, like being denial. It’s like being in denial that you’re gay or like, I, it sucks. It must suck. I feel sorry for you. I really mean that you should all DM Cody and say, you’re sorry, and that you will stop spreading racism. You’ll look at yourself and fix yourself. I, I mean, I mean that peace and love. How, how old are you Cody?

Cody Durden (09:40):

I’m 30 years old.

Sevan Matossian (09:41):

Dang. And uh, and, and, and you’re, and you, and you’re making a run. Your career’s in a good spot, right?

Cody Durden (09:47):

It is. You know, I, I feel like, uh, I haven’t, I haven’t really showed up to the UFC. I’ve had, I had a, since I gotten in the UFC man, I I’ve had a lot of, uh, that amps, you know, tore my ACL, took a fight up away class on six day notice, uh, caught COVID weeks before my fight. And uh, now, now it’s all coming together, brother. It, it, it you’re gonna see the best Cody D uh, March 19th. There is.

Sevan Matossian (10:17):

And, and this and what the, the, what the what’s even funny is this guy that you’re fighting Mohamed, uh, Mo moka, even he got in this, this is this guy, this guy lives, this guy lives in Russia.

Cody Durden (10:29):

Uh, I, I think he lives in, uh, London or Manchester.

Sevan Matossian (10:33):


Cody Durden (10:34):

Or not sure even,

Sevan Matossian (10:36):

Even he wanted to throw some stones at you. I am so excited to see this fight you. Um, God, we’re, we’re not gonna avoid any controversial subjects. You got the vaccine to go there.

Cody Durden (10:48):

Right, right.

Sevan Matossian (10:49):

Uh, was that hard? Was that hard? Like what if you would’ve said no? What if you would’ve just said, no, I’m not gonna do it. I know. I know. I heard you say that you did it because you wanna make money cuz you wanna bring, um, food, put food on your family’s plate. But what if you would’ve said no? What, what would the UFC do? What would the repercussions be?

Cody Durden (11:04):

Well at, at first, uh, I was apprehensive. Uh, but then, you know, uh, I started talking to M Maynard and, and we negotiated some things and uh, yeah, I, I, I, I discussed it with my family and I thought it was, was best. You know, we gotta put food on the table and we gotta continue to grow and, and uh, that’s what I had to do. So that’s what I did.

Sevan Matossian (11:28):

And, um, did it cause any, um, stress on your parents or your family, or do you feel like you are like morally compromised or anything like that?

Cody Durden (11:37):

Uh, no. I mean, you know, we all have our different opinions on, on whether, you know, it, it it’s bad for you or, or, or it really works or whatnot, but at the end of the day, I just, I just had to do what I had to do. And, uh, it was, it was, it was my decision, you know, I wasn’t forced to do it. And, uh, I did it, you know?

Sevan Matossian (12:01):

Yeah. Well, I, I think that, um, there’s no better reason to do anything than to, to help your family.

Cody Durden (12:09):

That’s right.

Sevan Matossian (12:10):

I was actually, we, we say that again, sorry,

Cody Durden (12:13):

You gotta do what you gotta do. You know, you’re the provider, you’re the man of the, of the house. And uh, you know, sometimes you gotta, you, you, you gotta put your feelings aside and, and do what you gotta do to, to get things done. So that’s,

Sevan Matossian (12:29):

We, we had a guest on the other day and I was talking and we were saying that, um, we didn’t think that one should be allowed to run for office unless you have kids.

Cody Durden (12:37):


Sevan Matossian (12:38):

And that would, and that hopefully that would change some because having kids, you, you do selfless stuff and you, and you probably, you value other, you value your kids’ lives more than you value your own life.

Cody Durden (12:48):

Well, uh, uh, uh, yeah, I mean that, that, that should be, you know, the code, but you know, not everybody lives by that though. You know, there’s a lot of deadbeat dads out there, but, uh, I definitely, I definitely try to lead by and be, be a great father. My father was to me.

Sevan Matossian (13:10):

Um, what city are you living in?

Cody Durden (13:12):

I live in Loganville, Georgia.

Sevan Matossian (13:15):

And where were you born? Cody?

Cody Durden (13:18):

I was born in Covington, Georgia.

Sevan Matossian (13:22):

And, uh, were you athletic as a kid?

Cody Durden (13:25):

Yeah, my dad, my dad had me in sports since a early age, uh, football, baseball, uh, you know, I was really, really good at baseball. Uh, you know, I hardly ever struck out, but, uh, you, you know, I got in eighth grade and I just didn’t grow. And, uh, so my dad was like, man, we gotta find a new sport, you know? And, uh, you know, I got into wrestling, I quit all the other sports and just wrestled year round. And then I started climbing the ladder in the, in the Georgia rankings.

Sevan Matossian (13:56):

Uh, how tall are you?

Cody Durden (13:58):

I’m five, seven and a half.

Sevan Matossian (14:00):

And you can’t and are what? Baseball

Cody Durden (14:03):

About six foot standing on my wallet though.

Sevan Matossian (14:07):

Yeah. Oh, JayZ should use, is that a line from a rap song?

Cody Durden (14:11):

I have no idea.

Sevan Matossian (14:13):

Oh, that JayZ should steal that. That’s good. Um, uh, what’s the average height of a base ball player. Why is five, seven? No. Good. Can’t you be like a short stop or something or be a star player at five seven or no.

Cody Durden (14:26):

I mean, you can, but if you don’t have no weight behind you, no, no muscle, no thickness. Then, you know, you, you gotta be able to drive a ball. You know, what, what MLB players do you know that weigh 145 to 148 pounds.

Sevan Matossian (14:41):

Are you still a student of the sports? Do you still watch baseball?

Cody Durden (14:44):

I do. Yeah. One of my good friends is, uh, Ryan K Choco

Sevan Matossian (14:48):

And, and he’s a pro uh, he’s, he’s in the, um, he’s a baseball player,

Cody Durden (14:53):

Brian Klasko, uh, he was Atlanta Braves, uh, first baseman, 1995. He won the world series. Uh, he hit back to back to back home runs. He’s the only player to ever do that in the world series. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (15:05):

Three, three home runs back to back to back.

Cody Durden (15:08):

Yeah. In the series.

Sevan Matossian (15:10):

Holy. Wow. And in 1995, you, how, how, uh, you could, you, you were four years old.

Cody Durden (15:22):

Yeah, I was young.

Sevan Matossian (15:23):

That’s nuts. How do you know, how do you know this guy?

Cody Durden (15:28):

Uh, we share similar attributes. He likes the deer hunt, Turkey hunt, uh, fish. And I met, had him through a, a friend and, uh, then we just stayed in touch ever since.

Sevan Matossian (15:40):

Wow. That’s awesome. And, and is he a fan? Is he a fan of MMA?

Cody Durden (15:44):

Yeah. Yeah. He was MMA. Yeah. He’s actually good friends with Chad Mendez.

Sevan Matossian (15:48):

Oh. Is Chad a Georgia boy?

Cody Durden (15:51):

No, he’s, uh, I don’t know where he is from Colorado. I,

Sevan Matossian (15:56):

Um, but he trained in California, right? He was the Uriah favor guy. Did he train over there in Sacramento?

Cody Durden (16:02):

Yeah, I think so. I think so. But he’s a year hunter too. He’s an outdoorsman as well.

Sevan Matossian (16:10):

I’ve been trying to get him on the show for a long time. Do you remember that fight when he fought Connor McGregor Chad Menendez, did you watch that fight?

Cody Durden (16:15):

Yeah, I did.

Sevan Matossian (16:17):

I thought he was gonna to win that fight.

Cody Durden (16:19):

Yeah. I mean, he dominated the first round, but you know, he took it on short notice and, uh, Connor had a full camp and he was ready. And you know, you, you saw Mendez get, get tired and, uh, Connor’s got power.

Sevan Matossian (16:36):

You, have you ever gased out in the ring?

Cody Durden (16:39):

Uh, uh, I’d say my first probe main event. I, I went a little too hard, you know, I, uh, I wasn’t used to the emotions to the pressure and, uh, yeah, I didn’t, I didn’t know how to pace myself because I had finished everybody usually in the first round. I, and, uh, yeah, I kinda, I kinda blew my load a little bit.

Sevan Matossian (17:07):

Is, is that the fight against Marcus Leister?

Cody Durden (17:10):

No. No. This fight was Jared Scoggins.

Sevan Matossian (17:13):

Ah, yes, I see it. Okay. Okay. And it went three rounds? Yeah, the decision. Okay. Yeah, it’s it. Whenever I watch fighting, I all least think, um, uh, that that’s gotta be the worst thing that could possibly happen to you in there. One of the fighters says it can get so bad that you see a punch coming and your body won’t even lift your hands up to defend yourself. That’s how gas you are is like, holy. That sounds terrifying.

Cody Durden (17:38):

Yeah. It can definitely happen.

Sevan Matossian (17:41):

Yeah. That’s nuts. Well, um, so in eighth grade you start, you start, you start wrestling. Is there anything that you don’t like about it or do you just take a love to it right away,

Cody Durden (17:51):

Man, I liked it. You know, going against somebody, your weight, there’s no excuses, just you and him on the mat. And, uh, you can slowly start seeing the progress of, of these certain techniques that you can do, uh, to actually score and control your opponent.

Sevan Matossian (18:08):

And you wrestled all through high school.

Cody Durden (18:10):

I did. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (18:11):

W was there ever a moment where you like realized, oh, I’m pretty tough.

Cody Durden (18:17):

Yeah, man, I always, I got the in high school. Uh, I got the iron Eagle award through middle school and high school. I had, like, I had like 80 writeups. I was, I was just a bad kid and, and always getting in trouble with fighting. You know, I was always smaller than everyone. I was, you know, I went to high school in ninth grade. I was 80 pounds. Wow. And I, in for 1 0 3 weight class with, with, uh, weights in my, in my pocket, just to be able to wrestle, I was so small. And, uh, man, I didn’t take from anyone, you know, nobody. And, uh, yeah. That’s, I mean, I guess that’s where I got my fire. My tenacity man. I almost fought the biggest guy in the high school. And uh, I remember we were in the weight room and uh, he was just picking on me and we got into a little scuffle and he, he was huge and we had to go to the office and I told him, I was like, man, if I was your size, I’d beat your.

Cody Durden (19:19):

Uh, he looked at me and he started laughing. And when he started laughing after the fire inside of me, just wanting to punch him in the mouth and then as forwards, I’m 28 years old, the same of hits me up on Facebook. He’s like, Hey man, uh, you know, I saw you been fighting, you know, I, I wanna try it out. I was like, all right, man, come, come try it out. I, you know, I sent him the address and his name’s Carl Williams. He just fought in PFL and he came to the gym that, that day and he never left and, and me and him get along so well now, you know, he matured, I matured and we look back and we laugh at that. You know, I, I say you remember that time? I told you I was going, if I was your size, I was gonna beat your and you laughed at me and we just laugh about it to this day.

Cody Durden (20:05):

But you know, we were so young and so immature and uh, now we’re, we’re good friends and, and I’m glad to see him being successful. You know, he started at a late age, but you know, his will, his, his, uh, willingness to learn, uh, his determination. He shows up, you know, he has to drive three hours just to get here sometimes from South Carolina. And he’s not scared to fight anyone, three who and O was a pro and fought a guy that was three. And, uh, you know, he got his shot in PFL and, and he won his fight.

Sevan Matossian (20:41):

Caleb, can we see him? Carl Williams? PFL are you hunting that dude down? Carl? The, oh, okay. Oh yeah. How big, how big is he?

Cody Durden (20:54):


Sevan Matossian (20:55):

Oh, he is a 2 0 5 or he is huge. Wow. Six, three.

Cody Durden (21:00):

He’ll tell you, you know, we, uh, you know, I was, I was small as could be, but I wasn’t, I wasn’t afraid of anyone. I wasn’t afraid to pick up a weapon either.

Sevan Matossian (21:11):

Um, did wh where was that fire from? Did you have a chip on your shoulder? What did you have? Like some small guy complex. Did you have like, uh, did your dad used to beat you? Like, where does that, that fire come from? Where you’re just like, you you’re, you’re ready to stand up for yourself,

Cody Durden (21:27):

Family, you know, it was just, you know, how, how I grew up, uh, you know, bad neighborhoods, uh, just people, people always try to take advantage of me because I was always smaller, you know? So, uh, always just, just like, you know, I knew I was really good at sports, which was, but, you know, my size always hindered me. And, uh, you know, once I found wrestling and, and MMA, I knew I could be good at it. So I stuck to it.

Sevan Matossian (22:00):

Um, how old are your kids?

Cody Durden (22:03):

My son’s 10.

Sevan Matossian (22:04):

And my, and, and go ahead. Sorry,

Cody Durden (22:06):


Sevan Matossian (22:08):

And how old is she?

Cody Durden (22:10):

He’s 10 as well.

Sevan Matossian (22:11):

Oh, and, um, what, what do you have them doing? What do they do? My sports

Cody Durden (22:16):

Soccer and my daughter. She, she’s not really into any sports.

Sevan Matossian (22:21):

So your son’s primarily focused on soccer, you said,

Cody Durden (22:24):

Right? Right. He’s really focused on soccer and he is actually pretty good at soccer. So, you know, I don’t, I, I don’t push him into, to doing other things that he would like to, like, I don’t push him into wrestling or he does do jujitsu as well. And he’s starting, you know, here recently, he’s starting to really like, uh, jujitsu. So

Sevan Matossian (22:45):

Does he see what you do? Does he know what you do?

Cody Durden (22:48):

Oh yeah, absolutely. He goes to prat this with me. He, he he’s been there from the start, you know?

Sevan Matossian (22:55):

And, and does he trip like the other day? I was at the beach with my kids. I have 2, 2, 5 year olds and a seven year old. And like, they’re, they’re all, I mean, I’m old, I’m 49. You’re only 30, but they’re always scared. I’m gonna get hurt. Like if I get on their skateboard or something, like one of my kids will start crying, don’t get hurt, don’t get hurt. I’m like what? Thinking me some Croy old man,

Cody Durden (23:16):

Actually, you know, I had my first pro uh, UFC fight UFC. My first UFC fight. It was August 1st, 2020. And, uh, I came back and, and he was on a rip stick, uh, August 5th, I think. And he was on a rips that going down a hill, bad idea. He hit a rock. Yeah. And he broke, he snapped his, uh, arm of the elbow. So, you know, he, I, I see him and he’s crying, he’s hysterical. And then I just see the arm literally shifted over and the bone, you know, and it was the most gross, gruesome thing I’ve seen, you know, personally, but you know, he’s a hundred percent now and, uh, They freaking, they heal like salamanders you.

Sevan Matossian (24:04):

Yes, it’s crazy. I don’t know how well Saland heal, but man, they’re like, they’re like Wolverine kids, like the finger breaks off and a new one grows.

Cody Durden (24:13):


Sevan Matossian (24:15):

Um, I, sorry to go back to this, the, the, the original thing we were talking about, I wanna say one more thing, too, for those of you podcasters and commentators and journalists who like, do you want to take back what you said? How about you off too? No one, no, you, when you say that to him, you’re making the presupposition that he did something wrong. You’re, you’re, you’re, you’re so full of your self. Like get over it. You don’t even know what the happened. You don’t, you don’t even know how to think. You’re, you’re a sleeping drone. And I appreciate the fact that you never walked it back by the way, these people who, these people who say, sorry, when you say, sorry for something that you didn’t do, that, that people think is wrong, but it wasn’t wrong. Then you’re telling the rest of the world to think it’s wrong. He didn’t say anything wrong. The guy lives in China, they got into a fight. And he told him to go back to China. The guy lived in Sydney, Australia got in a fight. He told him to go back to Sydney, Australia, like anything else you make of it? It’s you it’s between your ears.

Cody Durden (25:15):


Sevan Matossian (25:16):

And, and I just, these, these, these guys do you wanna, and then you don’t even tell your opinion, if you think it’s, if you’re asking Cody to take it back, then I wanna hear your opinion. You tell me what you think it’s racist. Don’t just, don’t just ask him loaded questions or questions with presuppositions, and then not give your take. Why don’t you tell Cody to his face? Hey, I think you’re racist. Let me hear you say it cuz you won’t cuz you can’t explain it.

Cody Durden (25:40):

Nobody’s nobody’s, you know, been mad at me or, or said anything to me to my face, you know? No, he’s, nobody’s came up to me and said, Hey Cody, what you said hurt my feelings. And this is why you,

Sevan Matossian (25:53):

Well, at least that would be, at least that would be civilized. You know, at least that would be civilized.

Cody Durden (25:58):

It doesn’t matter. I’ll I’ll talk to you. You know, I, you know, I want to hear your opinion. I want, you know, if you call me face to face, Hey Cody, you hurt my feelings. Let me, let me explain to you why. All right. And so then we have a discussion about it, but no, one’s no one’s done that. You know? Uh, it’s just the trolls on Twitter who have fake accounts that, uh,

Sevan Matossian (26:20):

And virtue signaling fighters.

Cody Durden (26:22):

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean fighters, uh, such as them. Yeah. It, yeah, that, those are real accounts, but I mean, those people we’ll see if they say anything to me when, when, you know, when I’m in their vicinity, so right. Still then, you know, doesn’t matter, I’m still getting paid. I still have a seven 80 credit score. I still have a huge house. I got a brand new truck outside. I have tons of support. I have endorsement deals. Sh I got it going on brother.

Sevan Matossian (26:52):

And you got a wide, a friend of friends from a wide group group of ethnicities and races who support the outta you.

Cody Durden (27:00):

Yeah. They know who I am, you know, my coaches are Brazilian, you know, so I mean,

Sevan Matossian (27:08):

Did you watch the fight last night?

Cody Durden (27:10):

I did. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (27:11):

Well, um, I I’m always so impressed by Jorge and, and um, and, and Colby, I, I really like both of them so much. I love just like their work ethic. And how did they, they, they both seem like they came really per repaired. I mean, I felt really bad for MOS Vidal, cause I know, I think he puts a lot of pressure on himself, but I was also in the same breath. Happy for, um, Colby. What did you think about the fight

Cody Durden (27:33):

Man? I thought I thought, uh, I knew Colby was a great wrestler. Uh, I thought if, if Colby won, uh, the, the way he would win would, would go that route. You know, he would try to smother, ’em keep him against the cage and just be relentless with, with the hands, the up, down, up, down, and, uh, that’s exactly what he needed to do to win. And that’s what he did. And I’ll tell you, uh, Jorge Mazda of all is one of the realest guys. You know, I’ve been, uh, staying in the dorms at coconut the last three weeks and uh, you know, just seeing what he says in his interviews and, and, you know, seeing what I see with my own eyes, this is the truth, you know, he’s not exaggerating anything. He’s not, not telling lies. And uh, I respect that outta him. He’s a, he’s a good guy.

Sevan Matossian (28:24):

Um, I spoke with Alex cuz Sarah earlier today, do you know who that is? Bruce Lee. Roy. Yeah. Um, and he, he has a lot of like backyard fighting, you know, stuff you can find on YouTube. And so does obviously, so does Jorge, did you ever do any of that?

Cody Durden (28:40):

I, I did some backyard boxing with my friends, but not like fighting though.

Sevan Matossian (28:44):

Not where like the, like you go, so, and there’s like 400 dudes in the backyard and like you get into a ring and like if you guys fall out, dudes are pushing you back in and

Cody Durden (28:53):

Yeah, no, no, none of that stuff.

Sevan Matossian (28:55):

That looks crazy to me.

Cody Durden (28:57):

Yeah. It’s pretty wild. I mean, think about how hard your head is and, and how soft your hands are. You know, one it to the temple with no, no gloves on you’re breaking your hand, you know?

Sevan Matossian (29:09):

Yeah. Here’s here’s Alex. Yep. I think that’s him on the bottom there. He ends up winning this, right? Yeah.

Cody Durden (29:16):


Sevan Matossian (29:19):

Did you, what, what, what, what tournament did you win?

Cody Durden (29:23):

Who he did back?

Sevan Matossian (29:24):

Say that again? Say that again. Sorry.

Cody Durden (29:28):

I said, see, I learned something new today. You know, know who I know who he is. I I’ve seen his career, but I never, I knew he did backyard, uh, brawling like that

Sevan Matossian (29:37):

Dude. Crazy. Crazy. He he’s in the weight class up is what is Alex? Is he 1 35 Caleb, 1 45. Yeah. I had a great discussion with him too. Speaking of just like being open with people, I, I brought your situation up to him and he thinks it’s completely ridiculous for anyone to say you were racist too, by the way. But he’s a vegan and like I’m on the totally other end of.

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