#321 – Alex Caceres

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam. We’re live.

Alex Caceres (00:03):


Sevan Matossian (00:03):

It going? My hair might be bigger than yours. There’s a crazy product in it. Look, Alex. I know how we roll. I know how we roll.

Alex Caceres (00:15):

That’s too much, bro.

Sevan Matossian (00:16):

I know how we roll. What do you mean the last show? The last show we did, you can out with the whole plate of weed. You never even offered me a hit. You pulled out all your weed. It

Alex Caceres (00:26):

That much. It was just grounded up. It was just grounded up. And you

Sevan Matossian (00:29):

Were just like, yeah. Rolling one right in front of me. And I was like a dog salivating. I got my own bag and my own plate. Caleb say hello to the man. Hello? The man fight, fight, win streak on his way to the top, Alex Cerus this is uh, Caleb beaver. We call him Steve beaver.

Alex Caceres (00:54):

Um, how’s it

Sevan Matossian (00:54):

Going? He’s our, he’s our fellow medic from the air force. Love this guy. If you need anything from him, just haul. He’s hiding in the back.

Alex Caceres (01:05):

All right,

Sevan Matossian (01:05):

Dude. Good to see you again.

Alex Caceres (01:08):

Oh, you too, man. How’s he been

Sevan Matossian (01:09):

Good? I, I remembered I last, uh, I I’m, I’m a big fruit tree guy too. I’m like you, I, if I can get a hold of it, I’m planting it in the ground. My nothing’s better. I don’t know if you like going to the nursery, but I’m like it’s Yeah, it’s dope. Right.

Alex Caceres (01:25):

Let me see if I can, uh, hold up one second. How do I, is there a way I can turn my camera around?

Sevan Matossian (01:33):

I don’t. Uh, is you, are you on your phone?

Alex Caceres (01:35):

Yeah. Oh, it doesn’t matter. Look, check it out. So yeah. Yeah. If you could see, I have like a whole bunch of fruit trees in the back in this little backyard.

Sevan Matossian (01:43):


Alex Caceres (01:44):

I got those bananas growing right there.

Sevan Matossian (01:47):

Are you dying to get a place? Uh, do you own that place?

Alex Caceres (01:51):

Uh I’m yeah, I’m a, I got a mortgage here right now.

Sevan Matossian (01:54):

Oh, uh, why aren’t you putting those things in the ground? Why, why in pots? Um,

Alex Caceres (01:59):

I have ’em in PO just because, um, there’s not a lot of space here and I don’t want like, um, like root restrictions basically. So like if I plant ’em too close together, some of them might not fruit because they’re in competition with each other.

Sevan Matossian (02:11):


Alex Caceres (02:12):

So, um, when I do get more land, cause I am looking for another place with a, with, with, uh, hopefully an acre I’m looking in Miami. It’s difficult, but to get an acre out here would be beautiful. Then I can start plant everything.

Sevan Matossian (02:26):

Hey, um, I had this, I have this, I have this house. I don’t live there anymore, but I got this, uh, 800 square foot house on a 2000 square foot lot in Berkeley, kind of small. Yeah. But, um, I, I, I planted, uh, 22 fruit trees, blueberry bushes and grape vines on it. And I just, and, and it’s, it’s dope. I mean it’s and I rent it out now and people think they’re in paradise. And then this current house I’m in, I own this house in Santa Cruz, California. And I’m like three miles from the beach. Probably very similar weather to where you’re at. Probably just like 10 degrees colder and not as much humidity. And, um, uh, I planted a hundred fruit trees here on a half acre. So, and my, and my parents thought I was crazy, but my thought was this. Um, I could always cut them down in 10 years. I could always cut some down, but in 10 years, I can’t say I’m, I’m never gonna say I planted too many. Right? Yeah. They start getting crowded. I’m gonna be like, well then you gotta go. But man, they take so long to fruit and get maturation that I’m like, I’m just planting everything.

Alex Caceres (03:27):

Yeah, man, you got, and, and it’s, it’s free food and the like, but going back on what you’re saying, like why people like always find themselves to be in paradise when they’re surrounded by the basic necessities of life. That’s what truly makes you happy. Yeah. It’s not more of a thing that makes you happy. It’s just everything in its place that makes you happy. So if you have clothes on your back and you have shelter, uh, somewhere warm to stay and food and water readily available, that’s it, you’re you’re most happiest. You know, like for example, take a person out in the forest, but naked, it’s raining and he’s cold. You know, he’s at his most lowest, he’s hungry and he’s tired. He has, he has his most lowest, um, point of his life. But if, uh, if he sees a log cabin and a person at the doorway with a warm fire, Becking him to come in with warm food and everything, that’s it, he’s at his happiest that he can be so more of that is not gonna make you happier. You know, it’s just being alive and being alive in a good place or wellbeing. So to speak is gonna make you happy. And I, I feel people lose a sight of that. So we’re always trying to, you know, fill in those voids with more things that don’t necessarily matter.

Sevan Matossian (04:36):

Okay. I got really hard question for you, but first I’m gonna give you an, an easy one to, or, or a thought first, I’m gonna give you a thought. And then I got a really hard question for you. There’s this, there’s this hierarchy of we need, like you, you gotta breathe. Then you gotta eat and then there’s and shelter. And like, those can interchange, right? Like I was homeless for a while and sometimes like, like those can interchange. Yeah. But if you get anything caught up in this hierarchy, let’s say you got breathing then heroin, then, then uh, food. Oh, is this? I don’t know. Oh yeah. Yeah. Look, Caleb Caleb. Okay. So down on the bottom, you got air, you got air, uh, water, food, shelter, sleep clothing. Yeah. Reproduction. Sometimes reproduction. Can I, I would move it up like even before like food or like right after food. But if something gets in that mix, like heroin or alcohol, or I don’t know, they, they say people could be addicted to pornography or social media. I don’t, I keep fathom that. But then your all up.

Alex Caceres (05:42):

Right? Think about it. If you can’t fathom that, like, think about it like before social media and all that. Think about the, the, the lengths and the extents that people went to to better their opinions that others had of them.

Sevan Matossian (05:55):

Give me, gimme an example. You, oh, you mean like buy fancy cars or like buying suit or like some like

Alex Caceres (06:00):

That. So like this was going on before social media, social media just put it out there in the open, it aired out people’s dirty laundry.

Sevan Matossian (06:07):

So to speak. I only, I only use social media to try to, I, I use social media as a way to, like, I wonder if you use it like this too. I use it just only to further my agenda. So like, look for UFC fighters. Look for authors of my favorite books, slide into their DMS, get them to come on. My podcast, like for me, social media is just a, um, it’s like a, it’s like the most amazing tool ever.

Alex Caceres (06:31):

Honestly, I use it. Um, it, it’s cool to discover stuff on social media, but for the, the Mo well, I just use it to, to communicate with people.

Sevan Matossian (06:38):

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Ex and thank God for people like me that you do that, but, but you wouldn’t, um, you don’t follow any sites that have like, uh, like, like rare fruit trees or,

Alex Caceres (06:48):

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like, like for information and research. Yeah. I love social media for that, because like, you can find like, I, I, I love like, just like reading up different, um, full philosophies that, um, people will post up and then I’ll lead me to go search for the person who wrote this book and then actually buy the book and read the book. So, yeah, I love it for cuz the connectivity that it provides. That’s what I love about it.

Sevan Matossian (07:09):

Um, for those of you were tuning in Alex, Ceris, uh, I couldn’t find any current information on it, but as of a year ago, I think he was in the top five. I longest tenured UFC fighters, which is just fascinating. And uh,

Alex Caceres (07:23):

I think I’m the top two. Now

Sevan Matossian (07:25):

You are at the top two.

Alex Caceres (07:26):

Probably. I, I, I think there’s maybe one more person and I think he’s already retired, so I’m just gonna keep on going.

Sevan Matossian (07:32):

Yeah. And it’s nuts. And um, like the, like we saw last night, the great Jorge masal, uh, there are these fighters that have this, um, uh, skillset, longevity, uh, charisma. I don’t, I don’t know how, I don’t know what the, what the elements are. I’m just making that up. But that, that the fans keep loving and that they just stay around forever. But on top of that, Alex is on a fight, fight, win streak, which is in this game for people who don’t watch fighting, every fight is like the super bowl for fighters. There’s no homeostasis. It’s not like basketball. You can lose a game and come back the next week. Like this show is for real. There’s like so much.

Alex Caceres (08:10):

I’m glad you mentioned that too, man. It’s just so like the, I guess that’s what some people don’t understand is like, yeah. Like none of these fights are skirmishes. You, you know, none of these fights are like, yeah. And, and when you get in there, it is like, you always have that possibility of getting up higher or starting back from zero again. And yeah, man, it’s crazy. You can go on a three fight, win streak, lose one. It doesn’t matter. You’re back to zero again. Then you have to go back again and do it again and do it again. And sometimes man, it, it racks your head, dude. Just, just trying to get back in there sometimes just trying to bring yourself to do it. And when you’re already there just realizing and trying to accept the fact that I can start from zero again, you know? Yeah. Or less than that,

Sevan Matossian (08:52):

You know, it’s like a Fu it’s like that up game. When you played as a kid, Mario brothers. And like, you get all the way to that spot where you just need to get past that spot. So you don’t have to go all the way back and, and you spend like two days and you just, you do the same sequence 3000 times cuz you can’t get over that one hop and they send you all the way back to the beginning, except for except, except in the UFC. You never well,

Alex Caceres (09:14):

Well I mean then I guess they like, it is not necessarily true. I mean, like if, if I’m on a firefi win streak, I suppose, you know, like losing one, you know, I’m not gonna go all the way down in the rankings. You know, it would be to built myself back up, of course, depending on how, you know you perform, I would say that night as well.

Sevan Matossian (09:32):

And there’s always a chance that you could get a last minute call, like Jorge lost last night. But like I still think like everyone would pay to see him fight like anyone again. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like, I mean, he’s the man And same with Colby. He lost those two fights to Ooz mom. But no one’s like, Hey, I don’t wanna see Colby anymore.

Alex Caceres (09:50):

Yeah. I mean, I, I don’t think anybody doesn’t wanna see fights. Doesn’t not wanna see fights anymore. I mean, um, truth and point. Like that’s what people are really there to see, but I guess, you know, they can hype it up however they need to. Or sometimes it’s how it happens naturally. But I don’t know, at least for me, man, it’s just about just fighting, just doing it.

Sevan Matossian (10:15):

Okay. Here come is the hard question.

Alex Caceres (10:17):

Go ahead.

Sevan Matossian (10:18):

There is this I, so I had AJ Fletcher on yesterday. AJ Fletcher’s a, a nine in Oak guy. He he’s having his UFC debut. Um, he won the contender series like yourself and he is um, having his debut next week. He’s 171 pound class. And we talked about like having goals about like wanting to be the champion. Right? Yeah. And, and I don’t wanna put words in your mouth, feel free to unfuck me, but yours is more like your philosophy is I feel like more like my philosophy. You have, you have a certain habit, you don’t have goals, you have habits. And because you have habits, your life moves forward and you keep adjust in your habits to get better and better as you get older and order older so that your life gets better and better kind of, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Alex Caceres (11:04):

I like the way you put that. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (11:06):

And well, I, I learned it from a guest. I had one time they were talking about, I was, um, all these people are like, like Tony Robbins, you have to have goals and you have to have goals. And I’m like, I live this amazing life and I have no goals what the going on. And my guest is like, do you have good habits? And I’m like, oh yeah, I’m addicted to refining my habits. I’m addicted to like, one of my habits is refining my habits.

Alex Caceres (11:25):

Well, that’s what I say. Like I say, like my goal is just to get better as a human being every day. Like that’s like there is, it’s a general goal. I mean, you can still say it’s a goal, but like it’s not something that you think about every day. You just constantly try and get better in anything that you do. You wanna be better at talking. You wanna be better at walking. You wanna be more balanced. You just wanna be more clearheaded. I wanna be able to breathe better. I wanna learn how to breathe better every day.

Sevan Matossian (11:49):


Alex Caceres (11:50):

But there’s, there’s always room for improvement. And so yeah, I get, um, my goal is to be a good human being and that, and that’s a lot deeper than a lot of people would understand when you tell ’em that

Sevan Matossian (12:01):

I, I hear ya. AJ proposed and this kind of freaked me out. Um, uh, my words, not his I’m paraphrasing that, that basically I’m being a that I, that I’m, that I’m afraid to put words on what I really want. Like I should just say it. What do you want? Well, I think that if Joe Rogan and Howard stern and had a kid, that’s me and I’m the greatest person who’s ever stood in front of a microphone. Oh. I said it, you know what I mean? Like, like maybe like, I mean, you’re, you’re on a five fight, win streak. Maybe you’re just, maybe you just are afraid of really how good you are and you don’t wanna project into the future. Like what if you already walked around? Like you were the champion? I mean. Maybe you do. I don’t know.

Alex Caceres (12:42):

Well, like, uh, like the thing is like to, but to be honest, like, you know, like, I, I want, I, I wanna put my, I wanted to put myself there or I thought I wanted to put myself there in that mindset. And I tried. Yeah. Yeah. I tried. And, and if, and it felt good and it was great, but you know, like it’s like goals, honestly, like, like, like goals in, in that situation fighting in the UFC and, um, becoming champion in the UFC. Those are very nice, like things. And I hold on to them. They’re, they’re, they’re, they’re nice to like look forward to, you know, that it may happen. But honestly, the only thing that draw me is like fury, you know, there is no, it it’s, I can’t put a finger on it, you know, but it’s like a fire that, you know, that I wanna bathe in, in that sense, you know, and I just need to do it. There is, uh, I, I wanna see what I, I just wanna see what I can do in that general aspect of fighting.

Sevan Matossian (13:37):

Um, will you look up the word fury for me, Caleb. So, so I pushed back on AJ and I was like, I was like, well, you. What? Like what? Like, I, I, I, I took it to where you took it, like, Hey man, I’m really happy just sitting in front of a fire with my kids, reading them a book. Like I don’t need fancy. And he’s like, you want to get to the top so you can help more people. So like, you can buy more nights. So like, uh, wild or violent anger, a violence or energy displayed in natural phenomenon or in someone’s actions. Wow. That is you, you are a avalanche, you are a natural phenomenon of violence, Alex. That is that’s awesome. Do, is that what you meant by fury?

Alex Caceres (14:19):

Yeah, and I, and I apply it not only just in fighting, but also in, you know, anything that I do. Like, I take it very, not seriously, but like just very, I guess, VI like, you know, like I, I really do it hard. Like I play hard in whatever I do and I enjoy that. Like that’s where I find myself to like, have the best time as in crisis situations, you know? Like I flourish in that, like just being the eye of the storm, just being calm in everything wild around me. And I, I don’t know. It’s just, I just it’s like, it’s like going on a, I’m sorry, like it’s going on? Like on an after trip or an Iowa was trip or something like that. Yeah. It’s like, it’s like, I wanna just see it again. And there’s no, there’s no motivation for it. Like, like, oh, I’m gonna be champion. I understand that that’s possible to be champion and everything and don’t get me wrong. I want beat a, everybody they put in front of me because I wanna see what I think. I see, you know, I guess projecting the future. And I see myself as being the best that I can be. And the best that I can be, I think is the best. So I want to try and be that.

Sevan Matossian (15:24):


Alex Caceres (15:25):

I wanna, I wanna just fill in my, I guess my own form that I know is there that’s all. And whether that, um, says that I’m champion or not, or whether that says I’m fighting some underground world champions somewhere like across the, across the sea or something like that, that’s it, it doesn’t matter where I just want to be the strongest that I can be. I want to be able to punch down trees and, and kick down pillars if I can. Like, that’s what I’m looking for.

Sevan Matossian (15:49):

Yeah. And you, and not only you say that here on this podcast, but you present yourself that way too. Like, I see that like, when I dig through your Instagram, like that’s who you are, like, you’re consistent. You know what I mean? There it’s like, sometimes, sometimes you’ll see like this, this, sorry to pick on women. You’ll see this girl on Instagram. She’s got the huge fake and she’s barely dressed in her last thousand posts. And she’s like, how come no one likes me for who I am. I’m like, well, you’re, you’re, you’re not, no one has a chance to know you for who you are. They just like you cuz of that sweet and those, uh, which is kind of who you are. Um, um, The, the, um, what was the name of your gym? The something Lotti what, what me? Your Jim,

Alex Caceres (16:33):

The hidden Lotus,

Sevan Matossian (16:34):

The hidden Lotus. And how is that going? You were, I think you were just opening. Were you just opening that last time I spoke to you?

Alex Caceres (16:40):

Yeah. I’m sorry. I gotta,

Sevan Matossian (16:43):

Nah, take camera

Alex Caceres (16:43):

Up. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (16:44):

There we go. It’s our world. It’s our world. You around with whatever you want.

Alex Caceres (16:47):

Yeah. Yeah. We’re just opening up. It’s going good right now. You know, we’re increasing the students and the wellness. Center’s also doing well.

Sevan Matossian (16:56):

Wa zombie says, which girl is that specifically? You know which girl there’s three, 3 million of ’em go, go scroll around on, on Instagram. Did you see what this posted about me, Caleb, on his Instagram account, this wad zombie goofball. Will you pull that up and show Alex this, the, this guy is a meme account. And uh, and I, um, I used to work at CrossFit Inc. I was an executive over there. I, I ran the entire media department over there in, in, in the corporate goofball world. They call that the chief marketing officer and then the boss sold the company. The owner of CrossFit sold the company and the new guys bought it. One of the first things they did is put in a DEI account and I make fun of the DEI council all the time. I think it’s a joke. So this guy posted this CrossFit was always diverse. It has women. That’s the guy on the left disabled people. He’s making fun of my boss cuz my boss had polio and got a limp. Mexicans that’s Dave Castro. He’s Mexican dude. And then a homeless guy. Cause he’s talking about me.

Alex Caceres (17:56):


Sevan Matossian (17:59):

You know, what’s funny is when I did have my hair like that, some of my good friends would tell me straight up, Hey, uh, you look homeless.

Alex Caceres (18:07):

Well, I mean, I, I, I beards were cool back in the day. You weren’t homeless, man. If you had a big glorious beard, I, I wish I can grow a beard, man. This is it’s horrible.

Sevan Matossian (18:19):

I can’t, I bet what’s the longest. You’ve grown. That what’s what, what happens if you just let that G come out naturally.

Alex Caceres (18:24):

It never connects. I, I can’t connect here and it doesn’t grow the cheek. It just grows here. And just the little chin and mustache.

Sevan Matossian (18:33):

Can you, um, Caleb, can you show him Josh? Uh, bridges. One of my friends can’t grow a beard either, but he let it grow really long and this is what it looks like. And it’s, I think it’s pretty, I think it’s pretty cool. He looks like, uh, like captain Morgan, his name’s Josh bridges.

Alex Caceres (18:47):

Yeah. That’s what I think I’ll have like that kind of beard if I do just keep growing it. Yeah. I’ll try it out.

Sevan Matossian (18:52):

Yeah. That could kind of fit your, that could kind oh. Oh. Did he trim it up? Oh yeah. He looks like maybe he trim that’s it? That dude doesn’t shake. That’s his. That’s pretty amazing, right? Yeah.

Alex Caceres (19:03):

Cause I got that natural divide in the middle as well.

Sevan Matossian (19:07):

Do you lift any weights Alex?

Alex Caceres (19:09):

Yeah, I lift all the time I lift, uh, I like to do, um, most of the Olympic lifts, like squats, um, overhead press and um, dead lifts and sometimes straight back rolls, bent over rolls bench press. I, I lift a variety of weights.

Sevan Matossian (19:31):

And, and do you do it because you like it or you think it helps your, uh, your fighting or both?

Alex Caceres (19:36):

Both. Both. Um, um, I definitely feel like, you know, we, we go against a lot of the strenuous stuff in, in what we do as martial artist. So lifting weights definitely can benefit you. I know it strengthens your bones as well as when you get it older. So it’s good to have pressure to apply pressure sometimes.

Sevan Matossian (19:56):

What about the mace you ever thought about the mace?

Alex Caceres (20:00):

The mace?

Sevan Matossian (20:01):

Yeah. Will, will you show him the mace? I had this guy on the other day, his name’s the flowing Dutchman. He’s a dude out of, uh, the Netherlands and uh, he’s in India right now and basically the Mac it’s it’s that long stick with the ball on the end.

Alex Caceres (20:17):


Sevan Matossian (20:18):

And you swing it around like this and, and then you catch it up here in the middle. It just, it, for some reason, it’s just one of the, and, and I guess it’s a big, uh, training implement in India for wrestling and I don’t know how good their wrestling team is. So I don’t know if that’s indicative of, Let’s see if we could find, oh, uh, no, not do you do ketlebells

Alex Caceres (20:37):

Oh, there it is. Yeah. I do kettlebells.

Sevan Matossian (20:42):

Oh. Oh, keep going. Oh. Is keep going. Find one where he is swinging that. Oh yeah. These things.

Alex Caceres (20:48):

Yeah. I guess it could help you work out, you know, I’m swinging heavy around.

Sevan Matossian (20:53):

I just think that this is like the kind of thing you’d be doing. You got the, you got the lo you gotta place with the word Lotus in it. You smoke weed, your, your, um, you, your, your presence and your, in your, in your,

Alex Caceres (21:05):

Your presence. I, I, I try new stuff, but you know, I usually do the that I know works. And, uh, um, mostly what I just train by simulating fights. That’s what I mostly do. I mean, I do supplement, um, weight training and, um, sprints and different types of cardio and stuff like that. But for the most part, when I get in the gym, we’re either doing heavy sparring or light sparring or situational sparring from different situations and trying to simulate the fight as much as possible.

Sevan Matossian (21:37):

Um, do you ever do that? Uh, that Greg Glassman, the, the founder of CrossFit made a workout and he called it fight, gone bad. And he made it for BJ Penn. He used to train, uh, BJ Penn. And, and do, do you ever do that with cardia? Like, so around, around those five minutes, so you’ll do like one minute of burpees, then one minute shoulder overhead, then one minute of rowing and then just in clump it all together like that. So it’s just five minutes of intense cardio. So it kind of mimics the maybe yeah,

Alex Caceres (22:02):

Sometimes I do like those type of like hit workouts, you know, where I would, you know, keep doing it for like switching every minute or every two minutes, depending on how long I want to go. You know? Um, sometimes I, yeah. Um, I do it wi with the situational drills as well. Like for instance, um, we can start, I’ll have like three people that will do like a round Robin on me. If I need a train for a fight and one person will start standing up with me, BA bam, BA bam for like a minute and a half or two minutes. Once that time is up, um, I go to the floor, the other person starts on top of me. He starts going at me for like a minute or so then when that minute is up, um, for 30 seconds, I might have the guys back and then that 30 seconds up, then I’m on top of the wall, you know, just switching it up and just con constantly keeping you guessing and doing stuff like that. So, yeah, we do similar stuff like that, but I mean, if you do it simulating fights, I feel like it’s better because that’s what you do.

Sevan Matossian (22:57):

Yeah. I, I, I totally agree. How is your cardio, how is your metabolic conditioning?

Alex Caceres (23:04):

I feel my cardio’s really good. I don’t feel like I get tired too much.

Sevan Matossian (23:08):

The smoking and weed with that at all.

Alex Caceres (23:10):

No, I don’t think so. It hasn’t. So, yeah, I was smoking weed before the fight in, uh, Vegas. Um, the last fight. So

Sevan Matossian (23:22):

Like, like, like literally before the fight, like minutes before,

Alex Caceres (23:26):

Not minutes before. No, no, no. Like the day hour before the day before. Yeah. Yeah. You can’t smoke the of

Sevan Matossian (23:32):

You can’t

Alex Caceres (23:32):

No, no, they won’t. No, the that’ll be too high. You know, it couldn’t with you. I guess they’re afraid that if you get hurt or some like that.

Sevan Matossian (23:41):

Hey, so do you make sure you, you never spar high also?

Alex Caceres (23:45):

No, I spar high all the time.

Sevan Matossian (23:46):

Yeah. Cause that’s interesting because that doesn’t with you that, that that’s not like, um, like you should be training in the same mindset that, that you’re gonna get into the ring. There’s no thought thought process.

Alex Caceres (24:00):

Well, when you’re in a, when you’re fighting and the mindset’s the same high or not, you know, um, I’m just a little bit more relaxed, I guess. Yeah. And, um, I’m just focused on the fight. Um, I guess you can say your reaction time. I wouldn’t, I don’t even think my reaction time slower or anything like that. I’m I don’t know. I’d do it just fine. I never noticed a difference or in my mindset I spared. So for sometimes I’ll be sober with stress on my mind and I’ll be distracted more than when I’m just high.

Sevan Matossian (24:30):


Alex Caceres (24:31):

So like, it’s just, it, it states of mind change, man. So you can always decide what state of mind you wanna be in your body can be in another state completely.

Sevan Matossian (24:42):

Ha ha. Have you ever had a fight, um, where you thought that this could be your last fight in the UFC?

Alex Caceres (24:49):


Sevan Matossian (24:50):

You did. And, and, and go ahead. Sorry,

Alex Caceres (24:52):

Go ahead. No, no, nothing, nothing.

Sevan Matossian (24:54):

Um, so cuz I’m, I’m looking here and you’ve was that when you lost three in a row?

Alex Caceres (24:59):


Sevan Matossian (25:01):

And after you lost that fight to Francisco Rivera, did you, that was all. That was in 2015. Um, so did you think that maybe you could be cut right there?

Alex Caceres (25:11):

Oh yeah. Uh, obviously, yeah, we called, um, we called, uh, everybody and says, Hey man, you know, like I understand I lost and stuff and you know, if you need, need to cut me, you gotta cut me. But you know, I would like to try again. And they said, no, we’re not gonna cut you. Uh, we, uh, no, we like the way you fight, just come back.

Sevan Matossian (25:32):

So you, so your manager was proactive about it?

Alex Caceres (25:36):

Uh, yeah. Yeah. My manager was proactive about it.

Sevan Matossian (25:38):

You still have the same manager?

Alex Caceres (25:40):


Sevan Matossian (25:42):

Um, do people avoid talking to you about your current success? Like they think it would jinx you or are there people around you starting to like me who are like, holy, this is crazy. He’s got this crazy wind streak. He’s got the, he’s the longest dude in the UFC. Like what is going on over here?

Alex Caceres (25:56):

Um, I don’t know. I haven’t really talked. I don’t really talk to too many people all the time. You know, my, my teammates are excited, you know, my wife’s excited. My family and friends are excited. Um, but no, it’s never, I don’t know. It’s normal if that’s what it feels like. I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (26:14):

Um, um, Jorge, you, you, I know Jorge’s the guy you, you have in your, in your phone contacts, but you’re not, you don’t normally watch the fights, but how about last night? Did you watch Jorge?

Alex Caceres (26:25):

No, I didn’t watch the fights. Um, I just, uh, I know I’ll hear about later on. Um, I heard he did good and you know, I heard he went all the way to decision, which is good, you know? Um, but yeah, got edged out. I guess

Sevan Matossian (26:38):

He looked, he looked better standing up. I, well, they both look good. I think clearly if it was gonna stay standing, Jorge would’ve won and, and Colby made sure it didn’t stay standing. And of course they both, both their engines looked insane. So I, I enjoyed it. It’s actually, it was actually kind of hard. I mean, I know, you know, do you know, I know, you know, um, Jorge and you sparred with him, but do you know also know Colby?

Alex Caceres (27:01):


Sevan Matossian (27:01):

No. Um, when your friends fight, is it hard to watch? Have you had friends fight and you’re like, oh, this

Alex Caceres (27:06):

Sucks. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t like to, I don’t like to watch, um, friends fight. I don’t like to watch fighting period, but I don’t. Yeah. I don’t like to watch friends fight.

Sevan Matossian (27:16):

Why don’t you like to watch fighting period?

Alex Caceres (27:19):

It, I don’t know, like sports don’t interest me. Like I, I, I like to, like, I watch, I, I don’t know. I like to watch fights. No, don’t get me wrong. Like I like watching it. Like I like of course, martial art movies and stuff like that. And every once in a while I like to watch fights, but it’s not something that I’m like, it, it doesn’t call to me like, oh, I need to watch fights and stuff like that. Like if it’s on it’s on or if I’m at a place and they put it on then, okay. I’ll watch it. But I’m not like looking to watch it. I guess.

Sevan Matossian (27:45):

What, what were you doing last night? Be between seven and, and oh no for you? That would be even later if fights don’t start till 10 on the east coast. Huh? What were you doing at 10 o’clock last night

Alex Caceres (27:55):


Sevan Matossian (27:56):

Yeah. That’s awesome.

Alex Caceres (28:01):

I was asleep at nine. I believe.

Sevan Matossian (28:05):

Um, this guy, this guy, uh, Sudi eff are, are, is, is, are you excited about him? Like, or do you get excited about your opponents?

Alex Caceres (28:13):

I’m excited about the fight. You know, I don’t, I don’t necessarily get excited about the opponent. You know, I respect the opponent. I understand that they’re that like, they’re, uh, really good fighters, you know, and they’re tough, you know, and of course I watch or fights and try to understand what, what they do and how they do it. But I, I can’t say, like I see a person and it’s like, oh, it’s exciting to me. It’s just, you know, the fight’s exciting, you know, the fact that I’m gonna go there and do it again. And that it’s a different problem that I’m gonna have to encounter and try and solve

Sevan Matossian (28:43):

This guy. Bruce Wayne is saying that the fight’s on the east coast didn’t start until 12, 15. That’s crazy.

Alex Caceres (28:50):


Sevan Matossian (28:55):

Um, uh, those backyard situations that you’ve been in from your early days when you were fighting, when I watched those, those stressed me the out, like you’re fighting dudes and like you guys start to fall outta bounds and dudes are pushing you in. And it’s like, um, and there’s so many guys there and it just, it just seems so dangerous to me. Like anything could break out at any moment, are those when you’re there, what do those seem less safe than the UFC fights or more safe or is maybe say if not the right word, you can choose any, I don’t know what the right word is. I don’t mean to,

Alex Caceres (29:29):

I don’t, I never thought about it, man. It’s just honestly like I’m a fighter and they said, you gotta fight over here and, and stuff, I just showed up and to fight. And I just never looked. I never really looked that deep into it. I like, and, and to me, I guess it just looked normal. I’m from Miami. So,

Sevan Matossian (29:48):

You know, I mean, there, there, there’s gotta be dudes in there who are packing like lots of death. Right? Of course, of course. Like a gun fight could break out in there.

Alex Caceres (29:54):

I, yeah, I guess man, if people, um, took it too far, but I mean, everybody looked like they were enjoying themselves betting money.

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