#317 – Hagbert Egberts

Sevan Matossian (00:03):

Bam we’re live.

Harbert Egberts (00:05):

Let’s see. Um,

Sevan Matossian (00:07):

Have you ever met a Harbor Harbor har with you Harvard? Harbo I wanna hear,

Harbert Egberts (00:14):


Sevan Matossian (00:15):


Harbert Egberts (00:16):

There we go.

Harbert Egberts (00:17):

Let’s see the mic. Yeah.

Harbert Egberts (00:22):

Can you hear me properly?

Sevan Matossian (00:23):

I can.

Harbert Egberts (00:24):

All right.

Sevan Matossian (00:25):

Uh, Matt, guess what country he’s in? You know? How about, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Let give you another, let me give you another angle. How about that? There you go. Oh my God. It’s a to it’s a to toy store, toy store toys there. Look at all those toys.

Harbert Egberts (00:44):

Uh, yeah. Yeah. I live in a toy store. That’s true. That’s true.

Matthew Souza (00:48):

That’s awesome.

Harbert Egberts (00:49):

I’m glad. I’m glad I live alone.

Sevan Matossian (00:52):

Uh, you’re not, you’re not in India now.

Harbert Egberts (00:56):

No, no, no. I, I, I I’m back in Amsterdam.

Sevan Matossian (00:58):

Okay. Interesting. Okay. Uh, well, I, I was, I, I, I was thinking you were in India, but I’m seeing some stuff that I’m like, well, the light bulbs aren’t covered, that’s kind of Indian. I could, I could see that.

Harbert Egberts (01:09):

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (01:10):

But this clock looks like something or is that a clock that looks like something that’s a little more permanent.

Harbert Egberts (01:15):

This one? That

Sevan Matossian (01:16):

One. Yeah, that one.

Harbert Egberts (01:17):

Yeah. Yeah. That’s a clock. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, this definitely this my home. So I’m, I’m back. I’m back in AMS to them. Yeah. Usually I usually, when I travel to India, I, I shoot, you know, I, I, people think I’m on vacation. Uh, and I, you know, I I’m traveling, but I’m shooting a lot of content. So it takes me, I, I don’t have any time to actually process the content when I’m there, because I’m either on the bike, on the motorbike or I’m shooting or I’m training. So, uh, that’s, that’s why people usually have the impression that I’m still in India, even though I am not, you know, that’s the, the lag of social, uh, social media.

Sevan Matossian (01:54):

Yes. Um, Susan, can you bring up his YouTube page or, or his Instagram for those of you who don’t know who this is? Am I pronouncing your name right? Harvard?

Harbert Egberts (02:04):

Yes. That’s perfect. How

Sevan Matossian (02:05):

Do you, can I hear you say it, Harvard,

Harbert Egberts (02:07):

Uh, Harvard, Harvard,

Sevan Matossian (02:09):

Harvard Ebers.

Harbert Egberts (02:11):

Yeah. In, in Dutch, in, in English, it’s say Ebers in Dutch. It would BES, but that would be diff difficult to pronounce

Sevan Matossian (02:19):


Harbert Egberts (02:20):

Likes, like Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (02:23):

Yeah, yeah.

Harbert Egberts (02:24):

Harvards. Yes. Harvard. Yes, exactly. That’s

Sevan Matossian (02:27):

It? That’s, that’s in Dutch. You’re Dutch.

Harbert Egberts (02:30):

Yeah. I am.

Sevan Matossian (02:32):

Um, what are Dutch people like? Um, by that, I mean, like, um, uh, uh, Mexicans are, um, the country that’s south. I mean, Mexico, it’s BA it’s native Americans who were raped by Europeans, and now we call them Mexican. What, what, what, what are Dutch people? What, what did you, are you guys like some, like break away? Like, are you like an Icelandic, um, religious colony that broke away from Iceland? What are you guys?

Harbert Egberts (02:57):

No. No, we’re not that, um, okay. So I, I, I hope I, I present the Dutch people, uh, in, in a, in a, in, in the right way, but we’re, we’re most known as the, the country that is living underneath the water. So we’re very good at, um, building, uh, well, basically, uh, to prevent us,

Sevan Matossian (03:20):

Please. Don’t say that word on my show, please, please, please, please. I’m only 70 miles south of San Francisco. It’s not appropriate. It’s not appropriate.

Harbert Egberts (03:28):

All right. Sorry about that. No problem. But we’re, we’re, we’re, we’re good at that, you know, because we’re, we’re living underneath the water. So that’s also why we’re, uh, generally taller because we have to live like this.

Sevan Matossian (03:38):

Ah, you’d be below sea level. Yeah. Just caused everyone to be over six feet tall.

Harbert Egberts (03:45):

That is supposedly that’s the reason

Sevan Matossian (03:51):

Let’s take a break from this great story. Real quick click this boy in the red shirt, this boy in the red shirt is, is, is the, this is the epitome of who this guy is, in my opinion, in the short time that I’ve experienced him, here is a young man. This is India.

Harbert Egberts (04:07):


Sevan Matossian (04:08):

Yeah. Okay. Um, and, uh, he is so happy to see Harvard and he is so happy to share with Harvard what he’s learned from Harvard. And then when Harvard sees him performing, um, the movements, um, that he’s learned from Harvard, you can hear in Harvard’s voice, how happy he is that this man has picked up these skills with such efficacy, pride, um, passion and love. And, and I, I think there’s a, a, a aha moment here for Harvard where he is like, oh my goodness. I, this is a, um, I, I, I he’s like Johnny apple seed. That’s a guy in the United States who, who, who planted apple seeds, you’re planting seeds. And this is, this is like some, uh, uh, uh, one of your seeds that has not only grown into a tree, but that is, uh, fr it’s fruiting.

Harbert Egberts (04:58):

Yeah. You’re, you’re making me a little bit emotional here. I

Sevan Matossian (05:01):

Good. I mean, it is emotional. This, this, this guy’s awesome. This, this kid’s so cool.

Harbert Egberts (05:06):

Yeah, he is. He is, yeah. It’s, uh, it’s been a, this year. I’ve I, this is my fifth time that I, that I traveled to India. And at first it was primarily to show Western people, you know, what, where this modern tool, which is very niche and, uh, in our minds actually, uh, originates from. And, but somehow the Indian people have gotten, um, the word that there’s a big, big, uh, big Dutch man going through the country, uh, using their original equipment. And it’s, apparently it’s not that, uh, common or the knowledge is not that common anymore. So it’s, it’s being, you know, India is a very big country, but for example, if you live in Dubai or Mumba, um, you, you, you don’t really experience these types of training tools because you’re isolated and you’re, you, you know, you basically taught the English language.

Harbert Egberts (05:56):

So most of the rituals that are part of the, you know, traditional part of India, they are, they are, yeah. Also not really publicly, uh, approved of because, you know, we’re, they’re so focused on the west. And, uh, it’s, it’s interesting to see that the, the way that I show the culture is kind of inspiring them to pick up, pick it up on their own too. Just like a, a Dutch man for example, would now inspire me to build. I would be, wow, man. I didn’t know. We, we would actually be able to do this. And then I start to build.

Sevan Matossian (06:33):

You’re, you’re adding to the something that they may have thought is dorky or to turn their back to, because they look up to the west so much. They’re like, holy cow, it’s a two-way street. The west is looking up to us.

Harbert Egberts (06:47):

Yeah, exactly.

Sevan Matossian (06:49):

Yeah. That’s cool. How did that kid see you? That’s just, that’s just the internet power of the internet.

Harbert Egberts (06:55):

Um, yeah, so he probably, he said through the YouTube, so, uh, he, he definitely saw videos from me on YouTube and then how he actually came to that place was that he saw one of my stories that I posted. And he was like, he, he was so, um, focused on trying to meet me, but when I was there, because it, of course, I’m, it’s quite hectic and I’m, I’m not, are trying to, you know, I cannot respond to all the messages that I get when I’m there. So I basically just showed a story. And for some people, they, you know, they’re so adamant of trying to reach me and that they actually try to find where that story is, or they actually know where it is. So he picked up his gada and, and just try to find me and try to see where, where we, where we were at. So that’s how he found, uh, that’s how he found me in that place.

Sevan Matossian (07:42):

And when you say Gooda, that’s the, that’s what I’m referring to as the mace.

Harbert Egberts (07:47):

Yeah. So gada mace you. Of course. I, I think you probably noticed there’s always D different names for the same thing. And then people use a different name for that thing. And then it kind of gets diluted in my mind. It was always used as a way that a QAI is like a bamboo handle with a concrete or stone bottom. And that a NA would be a steel version of that, which would, uh, change the weight distribution slightly, for example. Yeah. The one that you see the, on the left, for example, the big one. Yeah. That one is kind of crazy. Yeah. But this one, this one feels quite similar to, to a gada, but then again, it’s not traditionally known as a gada, so some people use a steel maze to refer to a smaller one, but they also use Mabel to incorporate that same name. So for me, it’s just one big, uh, I, I just, now I just refer to the gada as the, in name of the mace and the mace, as, you know, it could be any tool, it could be a steel version, it could be an iron version. It could be a wooden version. It could be a, you know, um, concrete version and that’s basically a mace. And then you can define that maybe, and say the steel version of the mace, a steel mace or mace bell, which is, yeah,

Sevan Matossian (09:03):

It’s, it’s interesting also, because when I think of the steel mace and you go online and you start Googling, it’s a whole different kind of people, you go to your, your YouTube channel and it’s a it’s Christianna, Doss, plain. You go to the steel Mason, it’s like heavy metal, like, you know, crab mcg. Ah, I’m glad I kill jail science. It’s very, it’s a, there’s a difference in the presentation. Um

Harbert Egberts (09:24):

Sure, sure. And this is also because I just went to India, right. So, um, my, my content right now is, is focused on that presenting, you know, what I’ve come to know through my experiences, but of course I’m also practitioner of the modern style of training with a mace, which goes further than just, you know, a swing like this, but goes way, you know, around the body, twisting, churn, lunging, everything, combining everything together. So I’m also part of the heavy metal part. Maybe I don’t use the heavy metal one, but, uh, I’m definitely, you know, kind of the, the gatekeeper between those communities, I’m trying to bridge, you know, the, the two worlds and try to see that, uh, they’re all connected.

Sevan Matossian (10:09):

Um, if there is a, um, feel please Google, uh, the flowing Dutchman, um, uh, and in, he has masters’ classes, he is understating his position in this community that he has, he has really, really embraced this tool and he’s running with it full speed and he is making it accessible to everyone. I mean, there is, he is putting out so much content, by the way, I love how short your videos are. I like long videos, because then I can make money off of them. I like your short videos because they’re practical and effective. We’re on two totally different planes, but, uh, but, but the videos are cool. Cause I just got on. Do you know what an assault bike is? It’s the bike with the handles yesterday I got on and I was just watching video after video and, and they just changed so quickly and the scene changes and the tools are changing. Mm. And it’s, it’s really a, um, your first 15 videos that are, or your most recent 15 videos are just an incredible introduction to what you’ve been doing.

Harbert Egberts (11:05):

Mm I’m glad to hear that, man. Yes. Uh, yeah. Yeah, go

Sevan Matossian (11:10):

Ahead. So, so go back to the Dutch thing. So, so who are these, who are the Dutch people? So we know your country’s below sea level. We know you, you love some and, um, but is there a connection to any of the people around you, the countries around you? Like, you know, Americans are basically, we told the, the English go yourself. We want, we wanna pray to our own God. And we got jumped in our boats and came over there. I mean, not me, I’m Armenian, but, um, what are the Dutch people? What, yeah, so it’s

Harbert Egberts (11:37):

Traditionally, it’s a Christian, uh, based country, I think, um, similar to German Germany. It is, it it’s next to Germany and next to, um, Belgium and France, so that those are like all connected and we are separated by the sea from England, but it’s one of the closest countries to England, um, from that. So, so just in a way, we’re in Europe and, uh, that’s where we’re located. And traditionally, um, we have like the idea of the golden age, which was in 17 hundreds when Netherlands and, uh, was very keen on traveling around the world and, you know, being very, very, a big player for such a small country. That’s, that’s kind of what the Netherlands,

Sevan Matossian (12:24):

When you mean travel, you mean, um, kick conquer.

Harbert Egberts (12:27):

Yeah. Conquering a different country. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a yeah. Yeah. Basically the, the thing that is not, uh, it’s not, um, possible anymore.

Sevan Matossian (12:42):

Yeah. And then you guys, and, but, and, and then, and you said you’re Christian. And so basically Jesus is your homeboy over there and, and then you guys became a peace loving country.

Harbert Egberts (12:51):

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I was raised a Christian as well. My father is actually a preacher, so

Sevan Matossian (12:55):

Oh, no kidding. Yeah,

Harbert Egberts (12:57):

Yeah, yeah. Um, interesting fact,

Sevan Matossian (13:00):

Uh, Harbor, um, just to get really into the sensitive stuff. How, how is travel for you if you’re traveling in and outta the country? Did that mean you had to get vaccinated?

Harbert Egberts (13:10):


Sevan Matossian (13:11):

Because I’ve, I’ve heard you go ahead.

Harbert Egberts (13:13):

No, no, no. Good.

Sevan Matossian (13:15):

I’ve heard you speak about the importance of health and I’ve heard you more than allude to the fact, but that it’s really personal, people’s personal responsibility and, and people should take personal accountability. And it sounded like you’re saying, um, which doesn’t exclude you from taking the vaccine, but it sounds like you’re really about your natural immunity and, and, and taking that path just from the, from the videos I’ve been watching a lot of videos.

Harbert Egberts (13:41):

Yeah. That is, that is correct. I must say that I’m, I would be very inclined to pursue the other path of being a vaccinated. Yeah. But because these guys, I do feel there wouldn’t be such a big reason for it. I actually got it after I got my first shot a week after, so I was kinda like, okay, this is kind of nonsense because now I get it anyway and it doesn’t help me yet. So I’m, I’m still having to go through, you know, how it would be if I wouldn’t have been vaccinated for me, it’s, it’s mostly travel based. So I don’t want, you know, I feel like there’s such a negativity around the, the, the fact that you’re kind of trying to move around it, that it could be for some people unhealthy to get, to actually not get it because your, your mind is going all the time.

Harbert Egberts (14:31):

Right. So if I, if I wouldn’t have taken it, I wouldn’t have been able to make this travel to India right now, which would, would eventually have made me more depressed and stressed about the fact that I wouldn’t be able to travel there. And now it’s kind of like, okay, I just get it done. And I travel and Hey, I don’t wear, I’m not like even in India, I’m, I’m sometimes, you know, when, when it’s allowed to, to, to, when it’s, when I was in parallel, the Southern part, everybody was wearing a mask everywhere. So even outside it was, and you have to drive when you’re driving on a motorcycle, you have to wear one. I was like, yeah, no, I’m definitely not gonna do that. So it’s, I kinda I’m, I’m always, I’m always, I, I can be a little bit, you know, once it makes sense, then I’m, then I’m for it.

Harbert Egberts (15:18):

But once it doesn’t make sense, I’m, I’m kind of counter countering that pretty quickly. But for now, for me, it’s, it’s mainly, you know, I wanna be free to travel, to go wherever I, wherever I can. So I, I, and I wouldn’t be able give any advice on that. I just, there’s just, just one thing, which is very important for me is we have to focus on our health because eventually that will make us healthier. You know, aside from which, which, you know, which disease is spreading or which disease you were able to get, I, I, I definitely preach, you know, being able to look after yourself, you know, in a mental and physical health. And I think in that sense, you would be most inclined to live a prosperous life. You know,

Sevan Matossian (16:02):

Whatever happens to you, whether you fall off a motorcycle, whether you get SARS co two, whether you slip and fall down the stairs, the healthier you are, the more, more likely you’re going to survive. The more likely that you’re not going to have permanent damages and age is the same thing. I have a five year old boy. If he falls down a flight of stairs at the bottom, he’ll be laughing. If I fall down the stairs, I’ll have an injury that stays with me the rest of my life. If my mom falls down a flight of stairs, she’s going to die. There’s there’s, this is just age. This is, these are the rules that God, whatever Darwin put here, these are just the, the rules.

Harbert Egberts (16:36):

Yeah. It’s given, it’s giving us a

Sevan Matossian (16:39):

Do, do your best.

Harbert Egberts (16:40):

You have some leverage yeah. To work on your health. And at a certain point, it’s too late. Like that’s kinda how I see the whole development. You have a chance when you’re getting older to, to start becoming more conscious of how your body works. And for me, that’s very, um, very deep connection having that with your body. So the moment you feel any pain or something is stiff, you kind of start to feel it. And then you kind of work, work it out. And then is that, that path for me is what I see a perfect way to get all it, because then you become more sensitive to the things. And even when a child fall of the stairs, he’s probably, you know, he’s just enthusiastic, like, ah, rather than you, you fall. So it’s, and when you’re older, you have a chance now to be, you know, more, more careful have prepared for being able to land you. You can, you can learn how to land, for example, true. If you’re falling true,

Sevan Matossian (17:29):


Harbert Egberts (17:29):

You can learn how to fall and true. Those are all things and, and habits that you can operate and that will eventually make you healthier.

Sevan Matossian (17:38):

And then

Harbert Egberts (17:38):

You, but it’s all, it’s all long term and it’s all prevention. And those things are very difficult to market. And it’s very difficult to right.

Sevan Matossian (17:45):

Personal accountability is very hard to market, right?

Harbert Egberts (17:47):

Yeah. Yeah. So, but I think it’s sorry.

Harbert Egberts (17:52):


Sevan Matossian (17:52):

Was saying it’s hard to sell pushups, Harvard. This is my buddy. Matt, Matt har, sorry.

Harbert Egberts (17:59):

Yeah. Hey Matt.

Sevan Matossian (18:00):

I’m how you doing? Very rude. Um, and, and on the, on, on the same, other, other end of the spectrum, every time you, um, uh, do something that negatively impacts your health, let’s say you sit down with, um, some donuts and a couple Coca-Colas you you’re, I mean, you’re negatively impacting yourself. It’s dangerous. It’s like walking out onto a high wire, whether you know it or not, you’re, you’re negatively impacting yourself. You’re, you’re taking, it’s a risk. It’s like sky diving. Every time you drink a Coke, you, you know, you did a little jump out of an airplane.

Harbert Egberts (18:34):

I think. Uh, it’s true. It’s true. But I think the, the fact that it would be inhabit is more dangerous in the long term than if you would do it sporadically.

Sevan Matossian (18:44):

So, right. Like if you skydive every day, eventually you are going to split. Exactly.

Harbert Egberts (18:50):

No, no. That’s true. That’s exactly.

Sevan Matossian (18:51):

It’s true. I know so many stories. I mean, you could Wikipedia how many people have died, jumping out planes, the list is crazy

Harbert Egberts (18:58):

Sweat. It, it, it sounds so, so yeah. It’s

Sevan Matossian (19:01):

Hey, you started off by talking abouts. We can say anything. Now you can say anything you want here.

Harbert Egberts (19:07):

It’s very visual. Yeah,

Harbert Egberts (19:11):

No, no, that, that, so, so, so yeah, that’s, that’s true. You know, it’s about it’s about which rituals you have and then also being very aware of whenever you can make, uh, such a decision and when you take it go all in, right? So if, if you have negative, uh, associations with a bad behavior, then eventually it’ll be drawn towards it too. Mm. So that in my, in my experience, if I have, you know, a negative connotation with something that I do, I usually fall into a pattern of doing it more often. So also being able to relax in the fact that it’s okay to do it. I think that that opens up the ability to stop doing it.

Sevan Matossian (19:47):

But that’s, can you gimme an example of that, that, that the there’s, there’s some connection there to what about things that are addictive, but, but gimme an example of that.

Harbert Egberts (19:58):

Um, so for example, let’s see, I’ve been, I’ve been trying to work on, uh, like how my mind respond to things. Um, so let’s see next negative habit for, um,

Sevan Matossian (20:16):

Like, not like you’re saying not to push it. Yeah, no, no,

Harbert Egberts (20:18):

No. I, I got an example. For example, if I watch a movie, I, I last two years, if I watch a movie in the evening, I’ll kind of make the decision, but not really, truly they make a decision and then suddenly the movie starts, I don’t need, I don’t do this very often, but when I do then after the movie, I certainly have a very negative reaction to it. Like, oh my God, I could have done this. I could’ve done that. I can, oh man.

Sevan Matossian (20:44):

I just threw away two hours of my life.

Matthew Souza (20:46):

I just wasted, you know?

Harbert Egberts (20:48):


Sevan Matossian (20:48):

I know.

Harbert Egberts (20:49):

Well, during the actual entertainment, you’re not fully enjoying, you cannot enjoy the experience fully. So in, in that way, I’ve been trying to, I’m seeing that those patterns because it’s a pattern. Right. I, I notice that when I watch, when I watch a movie, if it ends, I start to feel guilty. So yeah. It’s like, that’s a, that’s a process that happens every time I do it. So, uh, breaking the, that habit, actually it, it had to come from accepting the fact that it was okay, that I did it. Um, and, and that actually make it, made it easier. And now I’m working towards, um, you know, a way to, to not explain myself whenever I go out. And that’s probably just in writing it down for me. So for example, okay, I’m gonna, I’m gonna do this. I, I, I work all day and I, I enjoyed it and now I’m gonna enjoy it. And then I’m gonna get into sleep, you know? So that’s an example,

Sevan Matossian (21:46):

You know, where I have it. Um, uh, if I’m not leveraging what I’m doing to further this podcast, I’m not happy. So like when I’m on Instagram, like I, if I like my, my Instagram wants me just to, they’re just begging me to click on girls with huge ti. They’re just be me. They’re just everywhere. And I, and, and they’re, it’s cool. They don’t even have to be, but,

Matthew Souza (22:13):

But, but that,

Harbert Egberts (22:15):

That might, that might also be because you, you, you it’s, I clicked on em that you like it quite

Sevan Matossian (22:19):

Quite possible. I only blame them though. I, I take no account of response. It was an

Matthew Souza (22:23):

Accident accidentally clicked on it.

Sevan Matossian (22:25):

Um, and, and I shouldn’t even say it’s huge boobs. It’s just any boobs. And then second, it wants me to click on dudes with like beautiful bodies, like guys with chisel, chests and stuff. And, um, I don’t, I, I, I don’t click on ’em be because I, um, I can’t imagine them being coming on the podcast.

Sevan Matossian (22:45):

And so I can’t lever, I can’t justify spending that time to, I want to, but it’s the same with scrolling if I’m scrolling and it’s not, I’m not seeing something that I want to use on my podcast. Yeah. Um, I, I, I struggle, but, but on the flip side it’s made like bad that happens. Great. So let’s say like, one of my kids were like to, his pants, like maybe before I had the podcast, I’d be like, oh man, I gotta clean up. Now. I’m like, oh, this is gonna be a great story for the podcast. You know what I mean? Like I just leverage, I’m just constantly just leveraging everything. So

Harbert Egberts (23:17):

Your, your mind is all in your podcast.

Sevan Matossian (23:20):

Yeah. So everything

Harbert Egberts (23:22):

I tried watch. Yeah, yeah,

Sevan Matossian (23:23):

Yeah, yeah. So I tried to watch the new James Bond movie the other day. I love James Bond and I got an hour through it and I’m like, this sucks. I, I’m not enjoying this. And I’m like, oh, so I turned it off and I’m like, okay, well, that’s something I can talk about on my podcast. How did James mom move? It’s just like, so, I mean, I, is, is it like that for you, for, for your business, for your mace, for your, um, is me eating this, is this gonna affect my swinging me, me posting this? How does this further my introduction of this master’s class to the world? Yeah, yeah. Is, do you have that going on also

Harbert Egberts (23:54):

It’s the creative process is, uh, is, um, is something that, that is in my mind the whole day. So for give an example, I, I teach at rockstar lifestyle in Amsterdam, which is like, it’s, it’s some, something like a gym, maybe little bit familiar to, um, CrossFit, but maybe not as competitive, um, but similar kind of exercises, but more maybe on contraction. Uh, but still, you know, a lot less, uh, equipment. And if I teach there, I, we usually have group classes. I I’m always, for example, I hold a stick and I do like exercises with the stick. And this is actually where I got my stick mobility drills that I do before. Um, uh, that I use in my, my classes.

Sevan Matossian (24:41):

Is this it? I don’t think they need the word, uh, there, I just, I just, I think it could just be rockstar lifestyle.

Harbert Egberts (24:51):

Uh, yeah, no,

Sevan Matossian (24:52):

Just just saying, just saying, but yeah, yeah,

Harbert Egberts (24:53):

No, I’ll, I’ll get back to

Sevan Matossian (24:54):

English is my first language. I’m just,

Harbert Egberts (24:57):

I think this could be, I, I don’t think this is the right. No, no, I don’t think this is the right website. No, this is the in English. Um, oops. It’s rockstar lifestyle and then Amsterdam it’s probably will get you there. But, um, the, so, so I, I use those training sessions and while teaching I’m continuously, you know, trying to mobilize here and there feeling. And so I kind of, I’m still in that creative process, even though I’m actually there and I can manage, you know, teaching, uh, a full class, but sometimes I realize something when I’m, you know, when I’m moving around and watching people suddenly I realize, oh, wait a second. This actually functions this way and it can hold the stick. And yeah, that’s the, that, that’s the website. And in that way, I, I create something while I’m actually busy doing and I other things, so it’s always in my mind, even, even when I’m working here from home, I, you, you have, you see all these toys here, right? Yeah. So I work, uh, 20, 20 to 30 minutes and then I just pick up a club and it’s here on my table and I just start swinging and I, I basically let my thoughts go. And then sometimes I just, something clicks and I, I, and that is sometimes an inspiration for a whole new course. So I use those strange creative ways to be open, to, uh, to learn something new and discover something that I, or tackle the problem that I’ve encountered while making you know, a class or, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (26:30):

Um, you were, you were a drummer.

Harbert Egberts (26:32):

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. That, that, that, um, I actually was a guitar player and I did drumming on the side. I, I, I taught that myself, but I started, I started playing guitar when I was six or seven.

Sevan Matossian (26:48):


Harbert Egberts (26:48):

I did that. I played in bands for my whole, like younger years when I was a teenager. That was my thing to play in bands. And I did singing and then I taught myself drums. And then when it was time to go to the university, I, I had to move to Amsterdam and that’s kind of where a drum set wasn’t really applicable. And I still taught in my, I, I did rowing, I was a freshman, freshman eight at near eyes.

Sevan Matossian (27:16):

And this kind of rowing you were on the crew team. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You’re made for that. Yeah. You’re made for that.

Harbert Egberts (27:23):

And, um, so, so that’s actually where we also had a band. So I, I continued doing that, but after that, I moved my creative vision over to training and I became fully focused on, uh, training myself and also teaching and coaching people.

Sevan Matossian (27:40):

And, and you say now your creative vision is that you, do you use that terminology in hindsight? Or did you have those words back then also?

Harbert Egberts (27:48):

No, no, no, no. I actually would say that I would be pretty uncreative before I was, I’d say before I really got into the mace.

Sevan Matossian (27:59):

I would. So this movement, this whole passion, this movement, you’ve, you’ve shaken the tree and now things are falling out.

Harbert Egberts (28:08):

Uh, yeah. And it’s, it’s spreading like mad I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m starting to realize how open minded I actually am. And now I’m starting to see that all my, um, dysfunctions with going to school and university when I was younger, being not so conscientious. Yeah. You know, having trouble to plan, having trouble, to be structured, having trouble to, you know, commit to not, not necessarily commit to it. I was always committed and I finished it, but it was never an easy ride. It was always a hurdle. It was always, yeah. Procrastination, all these types of things. I, I always, so I, when I look back, it would be that I was kind of like a diesel train, trying to move through. And after I realized that I was doing that and finished it all, I kind of let that go and started to emerge into a newer, yeah. I would say I would call it a, a rebirth or a transformation.

Sevan Matossian (29:02):

Uh, how, how, how old are you?

Harbert Egberts (29:04):

I’m 28. Almost 29.

Sevan Matossian (29:06): How, yeah, man, what a great age. And, and, and this, this lifestyle you’re living this shirtless lifestyle, um, this is the pinnacle. Yes. Yes. This is the, this is the pinnacle in my mind of mankind. You wanna live in a warm place and you want to, um, wear shorts and you want to be barefoot. This is, is the, uh, and you wanna do this in, uh, in Hawaii or in India or in you. You wanna find a place where you can do it. What a great thing that you’ve been to India. The, I spent a lot of time in India. What you see there? No other man will ever, there’s no amount of L S D there’s nothing you will know. You will never, you’ll never be able to comprehend that this is just human experimentation, social experimentation going on in all these different countries. And they’re running an experiment over there that if you don’t see it.

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