#309 – Jim Hensel

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Jim Hensel: (00:00)

Real quick. Cause I couldn’t hear all that. Well,

Sevan Matossian: (00:02)

You, you didn’t tell them that you were doing the largest podcast you’ve ever been on and, and they give you a better room. I’m like, we’ll put you in the mayhem studio. Let me walk by with his shirt off a few times.

Jim Hensel: (00:13)

So I, I said all of that and all right, it’s just walked past me.

Sevan Matossian: (00:18)

They obviously don’t understand your identity.

Jim Hensel: (00:23)

There’s you know, there’s I know my lane. All right. I mean, it’s all good. Put this in.

Sevan Matossian: (00:28)

I wanna, I wanna tell a story real quick while you get your audio, right. So, uh, you guys know, um, I I’m good friends with Josh, Bridget. Oh, now we have an audio problem. Whatever you plugged in. Sorry.

Jim Hensel: (00:40)

Yeah, that’s cool.

Sevan Matossian: (00:41)

We gotta hum. As soon as you plug those in, um, when I first started this podcast, I was friends with, uh, and I still am good friends with, uh, Josh bridges and Matt Fraser and Josh bridges had a coffee called good dudes. And I drank that coffee and I loved that coffee and Josh would offer to send me free coffee. And um, I would not accept his free coffee cuz that’s a friend of mine. Who’s running a business and I wanted to support it. And, and I, and I believe strongly in that. And I have some really funny stories of some friends who are cheaps skates, who tried to like, you know, get discounts like on a doula or a, my wife. You don’t want, you want, or, or you don’t wanna discount from your psychiatrist or your dentist. You don’t want discounts on those things.

Sevan Matossian: (01:18)

You wanna pay full price. You don’t wanna get the filling that came outta Jim’s mouth. Anyway. Uh, and so a, a guy reached out to me called from a company called paper street coffee in New Jersey. And he said, Hey, um, I wanna sponsor your podcast. And I said, oh, but I already drink a coffee. And um, and, and I didn’t get, like I said, I didn’t get any money. And he said, I don’t care. I said, okay, I go, but I’m gonna still drink that my friend’s coffee. And he said, I don’t care. I love your podcast. And that’s why I’m giving the money. I’m like, oh this guy.

Sevan Matossian: (01:47)

So I go, okay, send me out your coffee. Let me drink it first. Before, like before I let you sponsor. So he sent me out a bunch of bags of coffee. This is the coffee right here. And I started drinking the coffee and um, he started sending me money and um, it’s, it’s the only coffee I drink now. And uh, he sent me a text in saying, Hey, we’re getting a lot of great response from your listeners. Thank you. And I just wanna tell you guys thank you. Because like this podcast does cost me money and a lot of money and it costs will Brandis stutter and Caleb and Suza. And so when you guys do that, when you buy stuff like this, or you go to barbell jobs.com or you go to our sponsors and we have a bunch of sponsors lined up, we just can’t get to ’em cuz we’re too busy doing podcast every day and this thing’s exploding, but I just wanted to say, thank you cuz you buy this guy’s coffee and, and, and you validate us. It’s weird. But anyway, that’s how it all went down and thank you.

Sevan Matossian: (02:37)

Okay. How’s cleaning done. It’s weird. When you take a shower, you think of those stories, you know what I mean? Like I got some soap in my pubes and I’m like, wow, I better tell the coffee stories.

Jim Hensel: (02:46)

I showers a good time for me to just kind of get lost in my own thoughts too. So it’s yeah,

Sevan Matossian: (02:50)

I get, Hey, I wasn’t lost, I wasn’t lost.

Jim Hensel: (02:55)

I get lost

Sevan Matossian: (02:57)

Jim. Um, I am one of my favorite hobbies is, is identity.

Jim Hensel: (03:04)

Yeah.

Sevan Matossian: (03:05)

And um, not so much mindset, but identity and, and, and maybe may, obviously, maybe we’re just talking about definitions, but I’m a huge identity freak. And when I, I think it was, I think I had, and Scott Vander Stu on the show and they mentioned your name and they said that they mentioned the thing called mayhem mindset. And then so, and then they’re like, you should talk to him. And so before I did any, you know, hardcore research on you, I’m like, well, endorsement from rich. Like, and so we reached out to you, but in the last four days, I’ve just been devouring. Everything I can find with you. And wow. Um, sometimes I’m nervous to do podcasts because of the guests, but I’m nervous cause of how excited I am cool of this topic. Do you know what I mean? This is like, we are at a point in history where people are very confused. Very, very, very confused if we lived in a cave, um, and, and we didn’t have electricity or running water, we wouldn’t be so confused. Um, one of us would stay home and protect the women. One of us would go out and get water. We might go out together to kill an animal. We would know every day what our job is, right. People are confused now they don’t have to worry about.

Jim Hensel: (04:26)

Mm.

Sevan Matossian: (04:28)

Uh, which, which, which, um, you help them get their house in order.

Jim Hensel: (04:34)

Yeah. Yeah. Define yourself. What, what’s your identity? I connect that to your values. Connect that to a great routine. Be able to ream your life every day. I, I hate

Sevan Matossian: (04:49)

Be able to we your life every day, say that again. Be able to what ream

Jim Hensel: (04:53)

Re

Sevan Matossian: (04:53)

Ream

Jim Hensel: (04:54)

Refocus.

Sevan Matossian: (04:55)

Okay.

Jim Hensel: (04:56)

I, I hate, um, I hate the term mayhem mindset. Um, it rhymes, you know, so, but everything, everything that I do is simply based off my, my journey to figure out identity in my life. I didn’t read any of this in a book. Um, I’m not an expert at anything other than this process that works for me. And so I’m trying to communicate it to other people. Um, so yeah, that this idea like, look, if you, if you don’t know who you are as an individual, then it’s, it’s just logical that you won’t know how you fit in family and society and community. And

Sevan Matossian: (05:35)

Excuse me, your image just flips sideways.

Jim Hensel: (05:39)

I don’t know why I did that. I didn’t touch anything. So I have no idea why I did that. I’ve got an iPad right here and all of a sudden it went inside of his I’ll tap the screen here and see what happened.

Sevan Matossian: (05:51)

Could you just turn it?

Jim Hensel: (05:53)

I didn’t turn anything. I literally was just talking and I’m no,

Sevan Matossian: (05:56)

But could, could you turn it again?

Jim Hensel: (05:57)

Yeah, I

Sevan Matossian: (05:58)

Can try or not again. Sorry. I, I believe you that you didn’t turn it the first time.

Jim Hensel: (06:01)

Usually you gotta close the iPad.

Sevan Matossian: (06:03)

Yeah.

Jim Hensel: (06:04)

And then it’ll open and it’ll do what’s right, right. You ready? Yep.

Sevan Matossian: (06:07)

Sorry. See, nah, I’m good. Good.

Jim Hensel: (06:12)

I literally don’t know what happened.

Sevan Matossian: (06:13)

How about if you went like this?

Jim Hensel: (06:15)

I’m gonna try that.

Sevan Matossian: (06:16)

Oh yeah. you look good. Straight up and down.

Jim Hensel: (06:20)

I apologize. I don’t know what happened,

Sevan Matossian: (06:23)

Unneeded. Hey, do you not like the term mayhem? I looked up the definition just now cuz it says needless or willful damage. And so that with mindset doesn’t work for you. The definition of mayhem.

Jim Hensel: (06:33)

Yeah. I was in a,

Sevan Matossian: (06:34)

Is that why talking to a

Jim Hensel: (06:36)

Yeah, well, I, I just don’t like the idea of mindset because, uh, it just means so many, so many different things to so many different people, you know. Okay. I was talking to a judge the other day in Ohio and he was, we’re talking about some stuff, you know, using this in some prisons and with kids on parole and stuff. And he was just like me, him. I can’t have that name in my jail at that. You know, trying to one of my biggest challenges, explaining to people what I do. You know, that’s a huge challenge for me. Um, because it is about identity getting clear on your personal identity and, and an opportunity for you to do that. Won’t tell anybody what to believe in mayhem mindset. It’s simply a process for you to use, to, to establish your identity, reorganize those things, get clear on what your strongest beliefs are and then use those every day. Keep yourself grounded,

Sevan Matossian: (07:30)

Get clear on what your strongest beliefs are. Um, you use the word values a lot and for, I don’t use that word. So it’s, it, it, it, I have trouble for it. You know, it’s sticking with me. I looked it up. Um, people, people on the shows talked about it. You did a show with that. The, the pro football player, um, two pro football players,

Jim Hensel: (07:52)

Bus the busing with the boys.

Sevan Matossian: (07:53)

Yeah. Yeah. And, and then the other one isn’t that guy. Is that guy? Darren, was he a football too?

Jim Hensel: (07:58)

Oh, Darren woods. Yeah. He was Dallas cowboy kinda.

Sevan Matossian: (08:02)

Um, tell me what, what are values?

Jim Hensel: (08:06)

Uh, I, I define a value as it it’s simply the language of what you strongly believe in

Jim Hensel: (08:16)

Is that simple to me. If think about this, you show up at a let’s use CrossFit. For example, you show up at a CrossFit gym, you’re super fit. Um, you arrive a little bit late. You for you didn’t hear what the coach did as far as explaining, um, you jump into the workout and it’s an AMRAP cuz you don’t know what an AMRAP is. Well, you’re two rounds down before you figure it out. I don’t care how fit you are. So there are a couple of things that we know that that are just true because it’s to be human. It’s the experience for all of us. One we we’re working at trying to keep our emotions controlled because we know we feel first, the science is the Olympic part of your brain’s fire and first basics. So we’re gonna feel first. And the second part of the brain is the neocortex.

Jim Hensel: (09:07)

And it’s putting language. If you can’t say it, you can’t write it. You can’t live it. So we’re all trying, keep our emotions under control. And then we’re all trying to make a good choice or a good decision based on what’s going on in our world today and that’s happening. And so if we’re not working at articulating or being able to speak clearly about or write clearly about what our strongest beliefs or our values are, well, how the hell do you use ’em right. And this is the space that I found myself in when this became important to me,

Sevan Matossian: (09:40)

Uh, uh, uh, he just used the word space. We’re gonna come back to that word too. That’s I think much more poignant and powerful word in Jim’s world and my world than probably a lot of people give it. Credit space is a really, really, um, important idea here. Um, in the context, um, of all the interviews that I’ve seen, that that you’ve done. And I’m sure there’s how many clients do you have? How many people are signed up? Is it a lot? Is it like five or is it more, it’s not, you don’t just have like five pro athletes. Okay.

Jim Hensel: (10:10)

Yeah.

Sevan Matossian: (10:10)

Um, in the context that I’ve seen this, the mayhem mindset applied in it’s for, it’s a very, very simple idea. It’s for guys who’ve invested their whole life into like being, um, the, the best at something, you know, best pool vaulter in the world. And then all of a sudden they reach an age and their pool vaulting career comes to an end for whatever reason, like they’re 37, they just finished their last Olympics. They know they’re not gonna go again. Now, who are they? Because their whole li for their whole life, um, the 10 years prior to that, or 20 years or 30 years prior to that, it was all about, um, how far they threw a stick. Mm. And, and what’s gonna happen when you can’t demonstrate who you are anymore. And so some people, Well, what’s interesting about that is at some point, everyone should have to go through that in life. If you don’t, um, you will, in, in my opinion, you will not have the opportunity to, um, find God, find yourself, find enlightenment. I use those terms interchangeably, if you don’t. And, and I’m reading a book called mask right now, the guy’s gonna come on the show, the author’s gonna come on the show. And he basically said the same thing that LASU said, but in a different way, he said

Sevan Matossian: (11:29)

To, to be, to be someone new, you have to lose the person. You are, you have to give up the person, you are to be someone new. And so that that’s framed as kind. So help me out here or, or take off here wherever you want, basically that, is that your primary clientele or is it just everyday men? Is it, is it people who like, is like I graduated from, I’ve been in school. Like I experienced, uh, my first sight of that when I, you know, I went to school from when I was three years old to when I, until I was 25. Right. And then all of a sudden I get outta school and I’m like, oh, I’m not a student anymore.

Jim Hensel: (12:01)

Mm. I mean, this, this, this process is applicable everywhere.

Sevan Matossian: (12:10)

Okay.

Jim Hensel: (12:10)

Um,

Sevan Matossian: (12:11)

Like you get a divorce. Who am I now without my wife

Jim Hensel: (12:14)

Sold a guy that sold his business for a hundred million dollars in 65. And, and then he had defined himself with his business. And now he doesn’t know what to do. Uh,

Sevan Matossian: (12:24)

Greg Glassman, Greg Glassman, he, he founded CrossFit and he did CrossFit since he was in his, in his, you know, 15 years old. And now it’s the whole, thing’s gone from him. Who, who is he without it

Jim Hensel: (12:33)

Co college student at middle Tennessee state. I’m teaching a class over there and in the past. And they got a degree in business and that’s the, oh my God, I don’t want a job in business. Hold on, hold on, everybody relax before. This is the way I, this is the way I talk to this before you decide what to do next, the job, the task, or even the stop and get organized. And I call it who you be just for purposes of defining a person. This is your values, your talents, and your purpose. Um, get that organized first, figure out how to ream, figure out who you are and what you believe in develop the ability to be in control of the emotion, recognize some of the negative of emotion in your life. That kind of seems to get the best of you. And let’s, let’s figure that out and, and work at putting that in its place.

Jim Hensel: (13:21)

And let’s eliminate some of the negative stories or themes in your life. Um, so that, so that you really know it’s analogous to, let’s say you’re gonna power clean and you’re teaching someone to power clean. Um, the first thing we’re gonna talk about is where your feet go. That’s the first thing we’re gonna discuss the setup. That’s what, that’s what this is. It’s the setup for everything that you’re gonna do. Don’t just allow emotion and momentum to be what’s pushing you around, have a fighting chance, be a defined person so that you put your feet in the right place, or you aim, you know, today and then tomorrow, and then string a bunch of days together where you’re really present and you know who you are, or in my game, the mayhem mindset game, who you be. And then you got a fighting chance at how the day’s gonna go. I can’t predict at all. And we’re not even trying to, but you got a fighting chance cuz you, you can get up every day and go, this is who I am. This is what I believe. And this is where I’m headed. And that was for me in my own personal life, revolutionary, um, and helped me straighten my life out.

Sevan Matossian: (14:30)

Yeah. Um, and, and obviously a lot of this stuff, this, this came to you. I, I, I, I heard your story and, and I’m sure we’ll get into parts of it. Uh, um, this came to you at a necessity.

Jim Hensel: (14:44)

Hmm. We’re all gonna be in this conversation at some point. It’s just a matter of when it’s important to you. Yeah. And it, and it, and it, it, it doesn’t have to be a disaster sometimes it’s opportunity. Sometimes it’s not because of a bad situation. It’s just like you get you, you fail at an opportunity and you step back and go, you know, oh man, I, I wasn’t able to articulate, you know, who I am and what I believe to sell myself to somebody. I had a, I had a kid come to me and he’s gonna get a chance to, um, interview at a huge, uh, in a huge division one football program that we’d all know. And he’s going, he has a very small window of time, but he’s gonna get to have the conversation with, with the head football coach. And I’m like, bro, do not go in there and tell them what you can do for them.

Jim Hensel: (15:31)

If he didn’t think that you were capable of all the things that he has on his list of the things that you can do, he wouldn’t be talking to you. You better figure out how to connect with him at a heart level or at a values level. Are you right for his organization? Cuz he’s assuming you can do the job. Mm. So don’t take the five minute you’re gonna get and make a list of all the things you’re competent at. Tell him who you in my game, who you be, be clear about that. Um, so that’s what it was for him. So I think, and I got it’s it’s, you know, Rich’s rich was a client of mine and then believed in what I was doing and then has allowed me to have the, the platform here at mayhem. And so now we have, we have people all over the world on doing the online course and it’s everything from baristas at coffee shops to single moms, to professional athletes. Because I think this conversation about identity and values. It applies everywhere into everybody. And we’re all gonna be in that conversa conversation at a certain point in our lives. When our, I don’t when our level of consciousness grows enough where we see that it’s important.

Sevan Matossian: (16:40)

Yeah, man, there’s so much, there’s so much. I, I, I have, I have real issues with sociology and psychology, um, um, because of how so, how soft they are with their words, how loose they are with their words, the things they say, they make up words. They say things that mean one thing, but they, but they really don’t understand the mechanism of the brain and they cause another thing, anytime you put anti in front of anything, if you’re, if you’re in the psychology or sociology place and you believe in something called anti-racism, you, you have a serious, in my opinion, the way I see the way the brain works and everyone in brain, you have a serious problem. It’s like, um, um, you’re against something that you’re keeping alive.

Jim Hensel: (17:19)

Hmm.

Sevan Matossian: (17:19)

You, you you’re you’re you’re beating the dragon with one stick while feeding it with the other. With the other hand it’s it’s, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a twisted thing. Can, can you give me, um, an example of values? I wanna tell you two values that I think I had in my life, very primitive ones at one point life in my twenties, I had this value that I would never kill anybody. That was like the only value I had. I never wanted to kill anybody. I really wanted to avoid hurting anybody at all costs. Hmm. And, and one day I woke up in my house. Uh, I had kids and I thought I heard something and I took the gun and I went outside. I was ready to kill something. And I remember going to bed that night going like, holy. Well that, I guess that went away. That value, that value went out the door. Yeah. It got replaced with protect my kids at all costs. Yeah. Um, and another value that I I had was mom, um, purchased me a, uh, at the age of 18. When I graduated from college, she purchased me a Toyota four by four brand new truck. And this was in 1990. When cars used you remember when there used to be cars, bro? You’re same age as me. Right? I’m 49. You’re like 52 or 3 54.

Sevan Matossian: (18:23)

Okay. And um, do you remember when there used to be cars broken down on the road? Every time you went on freeway, there was the car on the side. So I decided that for a, since I was getting this car, I, for every time I saw someone broken down for a year, I wrote the date down. I was gonna stop just like, as a thank you to the world. I don’t know why I’m not. Yeah. I’m not like a religious guy. I wasn’t spiritual. I was, I was a knucklehead. I was an 18 year old kid who just wanted girls and to drink alcohol. But I just felt that for some reason, I dunno if Felt’s the right word.

Jim Hensel: (18:51)

Yeah.

Sevan Matossian: (18:52)

And I did it and I did it for a year and I stopped, you know, even two in the morning driving drunk home from somewhere. If I saw someone’s car broke down, I was like, I made this deal. Are those values. I mean, that, they’re very deep. They’re not very deep.

Jim Hensel: (19:05)

I love what you just said, because I think, I think you, you, I think you really accurate just described what happened in the thinking process. You, you did feel it and then you actually responded, then you did something about it. So in, in the way I think about it, there was this emotion that you experienced. And then, I mean, I mean, do it right now. If, if you had to narrow what you did to one word, the act of stopping, what, what would you call that? What would be your word for it?

Sevan Matossian: (19:37)

Love,

Jim Hensel: (19:38)

Love. So you,

Sevan Matossian: (19:39)

I dunno if that was my word then, but now it is. That would be my word now

Jim Hensel: (19:42)

Love,

Sevan Matossian: (19:42)

Like, so trying to express some sort of love to my fellow, man.

Jim Hensel: (19:46)

Yeah. I, I, I’m an agreement with that. I might define it as service,

Sevan Matossian: (19:50)

Right?

Jim Hensel: (19:51)

The there’s no, there’s no right or wrong answer. Here it is. Is that, you know, we do these emotions come to us and emotion gives our life meaning. And so in the places where we try to dial those things up and make sure the people that we love know, we connected to them and in the spacious where emotions not useful, like maybe in competition, we try to put it in neutral. And so that that’s this idea of mindset in my way of communicating. And then the value is the, that’s the language of action. Um, you know, what, what is it, what is it that, how do we put that emotion and feeling in neutral or into action and that’s by giving it a definition. And so, um, my, I want people to be authentic more than anything. That’s what I care about. I, I, I value authenticity. And, and so for me, um,

Sevan Matossian: (20:47)

What, what does that, what does that, what does that mean? I, I, I interviewed, um, I interviewed, uh, a wheelchair athlete the other day Jedediah and on his Instagram account, he says that God told him to quarantine.

Jim Hensel: (21:04)

Hmm.

Sevan Matossian: (21:05)

And he’s a pretty sincere guy, but I don’t believe that. I don’t think God did tell him to quarantine, you know? Yeah. So, right. So, but I think he thinks he’s authentic and maybe he is, and maybe he is authentic. I’m totally open to it. Like I’m open to it. I’m open to it. I know. It’s just, it’s just a little thought I had when he said that I’m like, I, God didn’t tell you to the quarantine.

Jim Hensel: (21:27)

Well, here’s, here’s, here’s here’s I mean,

Sevan Matossian: (21:30)

What, what is authentic is that when you act from love, is that when you act from fear, is that when you act from your, your, your scrotum?

Jim Hensel: (21:36)

Yeah. I think I, I, I think the test for me, that’s a great question. The test for me is, is what you say you believe in, or these values that you’ve identified BOL, or are you really living them?

Sevan Matossian: (21:52)

You know? Oh, wow. Wow.

Jim Hensel: (21:55)

So,

Sevan Matossian: (21:55)

So, so I’m not there to judge him. He’s there to judge himself, if whatever values he had allowed him to, um, to address, to interpret or to receive God’s in that. And it was true to his values. Then it’s off authentic.

Jim Hensel: (22:10)

I’m not validating it.

Sevan Matossian: (22:12)

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not validating, but, but you, you, you made sense of it for me. Why am I blurry? That’s God smiting me. Oh. Uh, but I, but I get what you’re saying. I, I, I think I get what you’re saying.

Jim Hensel: (22:25)

I have this happened to me. Um, all the time people will come up to me and say, Hey, God told me to tell you this, But me well, meaning sincere people, right?

Sevan Matossian: (22:36)

Yeah. Yeah.

Jim Hensel: (22:38)

And, and I’m like, that’s crazy, cuz God didn’t tell me that.

Sevan Matossian: (22:45)

You know, like, cause you were out shooting guns with rich and you couldn’t hear it.

Jim Hensel: (22:50)

Yeah. Maybe that’s it. Right. Maybe that’s the way to avoid it. God talking to me just more, more, uh, more rounds down range. Um, like, like I, I, there’s a difference to me, there’s a difference between trying to be right in somebody’s life. And that comes with ego. I need to be right here or trying speak the truth. Um, and, and so, and I think language is important. And so how I say it and what I say it, it needs to be authentic and it, and I’m trying, I’m trying to live my values, walk it out before I talk it out. Be that person that I don’t have to talk about it. You see it demonstrated in my life. If, if you want to know what I’m about. Look at my family. Look at my children, look at my life, let that body of work, be that. And so what I’m trying to help people accomplish is to test what they say they believe in and make sure like, once again, it’s not. It’s real. It’s not some slogan that somebody else says. It’s not something that it’s not something that you’ve just heard that you think sounds neat, but it’s really applicable to your day. Because if it’s not real, it won’t withstand a pressure test.

Jim Hensel: (24:07)

First, if it’s not in language, you can’t live it. And if it’s not real, if you haven’t, if you can’t write about it and then it’s something you can’t actually apply then in adversity or, or you’ll be willing to compromise with. I think about it like this. When we see this happen to us all the time in a, our culture, if your platform gets ahead of your character development as a person, Then eventually the truth. Not what I say about you, but what you, what you’re actually living, it’s gonna double back and get you.

Sevan Matossian: (24:45)

Wow. That’s some millennial talk right there. If you’re a, he just, that was very generous of you to break that down for people. Wow. Not millennial. Talk on your part. I mean like you just spoke to a whole younger generation right there. Holy. I wanna throw, I wanna throw one thing on top of that. I’ve seen people who didn’t earn money, get a lot of money, a lot of money. And it’s the exact same thing. It erodes their soul. And the reason why is because if you have money that you didn’t earn, you will have, if you have money and you don’t have meaning in your life or direction or vision, you’re

Sevan Matossian: (25:20)

For sure. You are. If you’re some dude or some chick who marry someone, I, I just said that because, so I wouldn’t sound sex or is what I really wanna say to you is, is if you’re some chick who married some rich dude, and you haven’t earned that money, or you don’t have a vision, you’re going to lose your mind. I’m I’m not even joking. You’re gonna start doing the weirdest. You’re gonna start having your body cut open and fake, put in Botox. You’re gonna get into supporting the local animal shelter. A like you’re gonna have 50 cats in your backyard. You’re gonna start doing some weird, weird. I’m just telling you. I know it sounds like, you Sovan. I can manage it. I’m telling you, if you run into a lot of money, you better is fat and you didn’t earn it. You better get your organized. Cuz I’ve seen all these. I I’ve seen it a million times, too many times. I haven’t seen it happen any men, but I seen it happen to a lot of women. I just don’t know any men who married any rich women, which is

Jim Hensel: (26:14)

Yeah. The

Sevan Matossian: (26:14)

Everything. Not that they’re not out there.

Jim Hensel: (26:16)

Everything kind of in the culture we’re living in right

Sevan Matossian: (26:19)

Now. And that’s what you were saying right? By the way about the platform. Yeah. If your platform, if you, if you put on 3 million followers on Instagram and you’re not capable of being authentic and you’re gonna be exposed.

Jim Hensel: (26:30)

Yeah.

Sevan Matossian: (26:30)

And, and you’ll probably go crazy trying to appease 3 million people cuz you’re not yourself.

Jim Hensel: (26:35)

Yeah. That’s it like to, to this podcast? For example, for

Sevan Matossian: (26:38)

Me, Jesus, my beard is shedding like a. Okay. Go ahead.

Jim Hensel: (26:42)

For me to, to, for me to come on your podcast. Yeah. And not be able to communicate who I am and be authentic. And I have some sort of need to be liked by you more than being authentic. It would put me in a place where I may be on this podcast trying to get you to like me or to speak to me in a certain way. And then that compromises me in that space. Yeah. There’s so many, there’s so many. And then I sound like an idiot when I come on here, you know what I mean? I, I it’s pandering. So it, you name it, whether it’s athletics or entertainment or Instagram, any of those kinds of things, this idea of identity, knowing really who you are and being able to use the tools, not have the tools use you. Um, it, uh, and you, you started the podcast by talking about the confusion that we face right now, as it relates to identity in our culture all the way to, and look I’m once again, listen to me very carefully.

Jim Hensel: (27:38)

I’m not putting, I’m not putting it on anybody, but we people don’t know whether they’re male or female, there’s that kind of confusion. We could start naming all, you know, they, they don’t know how to define themselves and they they’re unclear on identity. And if you’re not clear and you don’t have some sort of solid foundation in identity, then everything else after that is compromised. I’m not telling anybody what they should do. I’m just saying, you know, or you need to know you’re going to be this whole idea of the metaverse kind of blows my mind, you know, to, to live in real life with real people, not the texting world, not the online world. It requires you to understand identity for your life. And it requires you in my mind to do the work. You’re responsible to do that, to be authentic and to put that down and to do that work and not have somebody else do that for you. So

Sevan Matossian: (28:33)

I, I, I, I, that subject right there, the male female one, and, and unfortunately it’s, it’s, it’s everywhere right now. And it’s been everywhere for a long time. And I’ve talked about this ad nausea to, to the audience. Um, it’s because they conflate reality with ideas. There are things we have to be so honest with ourselves. There are things that are real, that hat that you are wearing Froning arms is real. It it’s as real, it’s as real as like, like it’s as real, as real, as real, as real. And we know that the word hat signifies it and we know those letters are an alphabet. And that’s how we view the world. And, and thi this is, I’ve been thinking about this a lot with what you saying, because you say that if you don’t put it in language, it’s not a tool you can use.

Sevan Matossian: (29:26) And there is a, there is a statement and the Dow da Chan that LASU says, and, and I’m sure it’s somewhere in the Bible said differently. Um, naming is the origin of all particular things without naming. There is no, and, and what’s fascinating. I was reading, I’m gonna show you this thing. There’s a, a Russian, um, a mathematician named PD Ouspensky from the turn of the century. And he basically explains that because the, there is no, there is no, Jim, there is no Seon. And that the, the trick is, is that, that we’re named at our youth.

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